Something About Cari - Ep. 6: Something… About Liz
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It has to be said, Liz Golyer was a fortunate woman. Leaving aside, of course, the raw fact of having been charged with murdering Carrie Farber. Oh, and of trying to burn her own house down. No, her good fortune came in the person of a brilliant, charismatic, and highly regarded defense attorney named James Martin Davis. one of the preeminent attorneys in all the Midwest, according to the people who judge these things. Gone from us now, sadly. He died in 2021, heart attack, right there in the courthouse. But when Liz Golyer went on trial, vilified as she was by trial time, Martin was all in. And maybe the most dangerous place around was between him and a TV camera when he stood up for Liz. as he did here before the judge in court.
I know they've got all this bizarre behavior, and they've got all this circumstantial evidence, but it doesn't show my client on that day in this jurisdiction took a knife and stabbed Carrie Farber to death. Savvy as he was, he'd recommended, and Liz agreed, that she be tried by judge alone, no jury. figured a jury might get caught up in the emotions stirred by Liz's long, devious campaign. But a judge? A judge would adhere to the facts and the law. And the facts before the court? Well, there wasn't even a body, was there? And for that matter, said James Martin Davis, no case. I'm Keith Morrison, and this is Something About Carrie, a podcast from Dateline. Episode 6, Something About Liz. James Martin Davis seemed to revel in the defense of unpopular people.
He'd made his considerable reputation that way. Everybody, no matter how nasty people might think they are, deserves a robust defense. And in the case of Liz Gawler... You might not like her, said Davis to the judge, but liking, or the lack of it, was quite irrelevant. Facts were what mattered. And this case, he said, was little more than speculation. You may have smart cards and you may have phones, but you don't have a body and you don't have a cause of death from a medical examiner. What we have is their belief, their speculation, their notion that this is what happens. That can't convict. One by one, he questioned the main players. You've already met them, of course.
What details surround Liz Golyer's trial for the murder of Carrie Farber?
Carrie's mom, Nancy Farber. Carrie's brief boyfriend, Dave Krupa. Dave's ex, the mother of his children, Amy Flora. The hoodwinked, the victimized. All so callously fooled. Attorney Davis looked them all in the eye and put them on the spot about the alleged murder of Carrie Farber. Here's Davis questioning Dave Krupa about Liz. And she never told you she was going to assault Carrie Farber, did she? No. You don't have any first-hand knowledge about what happened to Carrie Farber back in November or December or any time thereafter, do you? Nope. And so it went, one after the other. Here's Davis sowing doubt as he questions Amy Flora. You don't have any first-hand knowledge that Carrie was killed or assaulted at all, right?
Who was James Martin Davis and how did he impact Liz's defense?
No, I don't.
And if she was, it took place on any of those dates, right? Right. But... What about that deleted photo found on an SD card once used in Liz's cell phone? The one the prosecutor said showed a decomposing human foot bearing a tattoo of a Chinese symbol, just like the tattoo Carrie Farver had on her foot. How in the world would Liz's defense explain that? Well, in the same sort of way. Even if you assume it's her foot, that doesn't tell us the cause of death. It doesn't tell us the manner of death. It doesn't tell any of us that Liz Goeller caused this death.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–3:28
2
What details surround Liz Golyer's trial for the murder of Carrie Farber?
3:28–4:24
3
Who was James Martin Davis and how did he impact Liz's defense?
4:24–9:01
4
What strategies did the defense use to challenge the prosecution's evidence?
9:01–27:11
5
How did the trial unfold and what were the significant moments?
27:11–28:59
6
What was the verdict and how did it affect the families involved?
28:59–45:28