Afgelopen weekend werden 70.000 leden van de klimaatelite naar Dubai gevlogen om tenminste op politiek gebied klimaatwinst te boeken. Jeroen Pauw valt in voor dr Kelder en gaat in gesprek met dr. Marloes Beers, docent en onderzoeker in de Geschiedenis van de Internationale Betrekkingen aan de Universiteit Utrecht.
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