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Decoder with Nilay Patel

Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky on what founder mode really means

Mon, 28 Oct 2024

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Today, I’m talking with Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky, who is only the second person to be on Decoder three times — the other is Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg. Brian made a lot of waves earlier this year when he started talking about something called “founder mode,” or at least, when well-known investor Paul Graham wrote a blog post about Brian’s approach to running Airbnb that gave it that name. Founder mode has since become a little bit of a meme, and I was excited to have Brian back on to talk about it, and what specifically he thinks it means. Talking to Brian is a ride, but I think I held my own, and I think you’ll really like this one. Links: Founder Mode | Paul Graham Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky is taking it back to basics (2023) | Decoder Why the future of work is the future of travel, with Airbnb’s Brian Chesky (2021) | Decoder Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky: ‘I Never Called it Founder Mode’ | Skift Why Silicon Valley is abuzz over ‘Founder Mode’ | NYT After Apple, Jony Ive Is Building an Empire of His Own | NYT Airbnb can now help you find somebody to manage your listing | The Verge Airbnb creates new chief business officer role | Reuters Why Jeff Bezos Says Your Goal Is to Make 3 Good Decisions per Day | Inc Taking the Mystery out of Scaling a Company | Ben Horowtiz Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/24043611 Credits:  Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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122.861 - 138.485 Nilay Patel

Hello and welcome to Decoder. I'm Nilay Patel, editor-in-chief of The Verge, and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. Today I'm talking with Airbnb co-founder and CEO Brian Chesky, who is only the second person to be on Decoder three times. The other is Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg.

139.105 - 151.449 Nilay Patel

It's a rare company, and what made this one particularly good is that Brian and I were together in our New York City studio for the first time. It's pretty easy to hear how much looser and more fun the conversation was because we were in the same room.

153.137 - 164.724 Nilay Patel

Now, Brian made a lot of waves a couple months ago when he started talking about something called Founder Mode, or at least when well-known investor Paul Graham wrote a blog post about Brian's approach to running Airbnb that gave it that name.

165.565 - 184.099 Nilay Patel

Founder Mode has since become a little bit of a meme that means basically what anyone wants it to mean, and I was excited to have Brian back on the show to talk about it and what specifically he meant. After all, one of the reasons I love talking to Brian is because he spends so much time obsessing over company structure and decision making. Pure decoder bait.

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