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Arc creator Josh Miller on why you need a better browser than Chrome
23 Sep 2024
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Hello and welcome to Decoder. I'm Nilay Patel, Editor-in-Chief of The Verge, and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. Today I'm talking with Josh Miller, co-founder and CEO of The Browser Company, a relatively new software maker that develops the Arc Browser.
My VergeCast co-host and Verge editor at large, David Pierce, is a big fan of Arc, and he's written about it quite a bit for us. We'll link his review and other coverage of the product in the show notes. Basically, Arc is a ground-up rethink of the web browser. Most modern browsers started out as document viewers, and they grew to support running complex applications.
Arc's main conceit is that it's designed to make running and using all those apps as simple as possible. You'll hear Josh describe it as an operating system several times. Which is a pretty big claim to make, and he and I got into what that actually means for a web browser.
There are some AI tools built into the desktop Arc browser, but the company also has a mobile app called Arc Search that does AI summaries of web pages. That puts it in competition with OpenAI's forthcoming SearchGPT product and Google's new AI overviews in its search results. At the same time, it also puts Arc right in the middle of one of the fiercest debates in tech and media today.
Whether AI companies and products are boosting content from the open web and then turning around and selling it to consumers without paying the people who produce that work anything at all. We've been talking about these topics pretty much non-stop for the last year here on Decoder.
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