Defensive Security Podcast Episode 348

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Defensive Security Podcast - Malware, Hacking, Cyber Security & Infosec 56 min 2 speakers 2 chapters transcribed 1 month ago
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What is the opening banter and sponsor thank‑you before the first story?

Jerry Bell 0:31
Countdown to lift off.
Andrew Kalat 0:32
Liftoff of the dumpster fire.
Jerry Bell 0:35
Yep. Wel welcome to the uh to the AI disaster podcast. Ac actually, in seriousness. Welcome to episode three hundred and forty eight of the Defensive Security Podcast. My name is Jerry Bell and joining me today, as always, is Mr Andrew Gallett.
Andrew Kalat 0:54
Hello, sir, how are you?
Jerry Bell 0:56
I am awesome. I'm at the beach, so it's hard to be bad here, right?
Andrew Kalat 1:00
That is true. That is true. I'm not at the beach, but I'm doing good. Thanks. I mean you could have invited me, but that no, that's fine. No, no, no, it's fine. It's fine. No really.
Jerry Bell 1:09
Which you've really would you've come though? That's see, there you go. There you go.
Andrew Kalat 1:16
Maybe maybe soon.
Jerry Bell 1:20
All right. So uh thank you everybody for joining today. Uh just a quick reminder that uh well before I do that, uh I I want to ex extend a heartfelt thanks to our Patreon sponsors. Uh thank you very, very much for supporting the show. Lo love love y'all and just Yeah, if you Would like to support Our cause here? Uh you can have the high honor. the the the privilege, dare I say, of getting our episodes a week before everybody else, which we think is is you know pretty cool. So there you go.
Andrew Kalat 2:02
You can be outraged before the rest of the world k gets outraged at us.
Jerry Bell 2:07
That's right. That's right. You could hear all of the audio issues. You can s you know, see all of the the glitches, you could s you know, whatever whatever bad takes we have, you can hear them before everybody else. It's it's pretty awesome. I think so.
Andrew Kalat 2:24
But in all seriousness, thank you to those who do support us. You you keep our little humble show going. And we do appreciate it.
Jerry Bell 2:31
And uh now. A quick reminder that the thoughts and opinions we express on the show are ours and not those of our employers. So there you go. All right. jumping into some stories, we have First up from Security Week.
Andrew Kalat 2:49
The the the the title is OpenAI Hit by Tan Stack Supply Chain Attack.
Jerry Bell 2:55
Well there you go. Thank you so much. I sorry,
Andrew Kalat 2:59
I I should I should have been a little more Johnny on the spot for you there, but
Jerry Bell 3:02
it's it's quite quite all right. So anyway, as the title suggests, uh there was a a pretty big uh spate, dare I say, of different open source packages compromised. Gosh, it seems like you know there's a new wave almost every day recently. But this this was a wave that hit back on May 11th. And Tanstack was one of the the repositories that were hit by that. And this was as part of the whole shy hook. Um, I don't know what number we're on, it's like 784 maybe approximately. Uh anyway, uh two open AI developers were amongst the people who were uh impacted by this, and that resulted in some open AI uh, I think they call it credential material. being stolen. It's very very interesting and and benign sounding way of characterizing having your password stolen.
Andrew Kalat 4:12
Well, they said it was their code sign certificates for iOS, Mac OS, Windows, and Android products. So they said it was in the repo. Code signing
Jerry Bell 4:22
certificates. I mean it's uh it's a good thing it wasn't anything important. Right. I mean But but but but fear not, fear not. None of their code was apparently impacted. Just just the limited quote limited credential material, which included the signing certificates. But by the way, they they I mean to their credit, they did have uh apparently a process in place to revoke those signing certificates and they're taking actions to try to prevent you know future signing of software using those certificates. So the you know the the the thing that I guess struck me what is this is becoming a huge problem. You know, we've we we talk about this sort of attack a lot. Obviously OpenAI is a huge high profile target.
Jerry Bell 5:15
You know, if if malware ends up getting signed by them, that's gonna be kind of a big deal. But One of the things I wanted to to talk about is I think what they likely had in place, which is probably something a lot of us need to have in place, which is uh game plan in the event that you know you are hit by something like this. Right, because a lot of these these attacks now are very focused on collecting as fast as as they can and then and then weaponizing as fast as they can all the credentials that are accessible from whatever system was was was compromised, whether it's a developer workstation or or uh you know some

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