Derisky Business
Episodes
Breaking the Rare Earths Dependency with Chris Kennedy
18 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Geoff sits down with Chris Kennedy to unpack the Trump administration’s National Security Strategy and debate what it will take for the United State...
What if 'America First' Appears to Work? With Tom Wright
04 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Tom Wright joins to talk about his recent article, “What if 'America First' Appears to Work?' about the Trump administration’s “might makes righ...
BONUS: The Future of IEPPA Tariffs with Francesca Ghiretti
20 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In a bonus episode this week, we're sharing an episode of the great Geoeconomic Competition podcast hosted by Francesca Ghiretti, director of the RAND...
The Real Impact of SCOTUS's Tariff Hearing with Kathleen Claussen
13 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Kathleen Claussen, Professor of Law at Georgetown University, joins Emily and Geoff to discuss the SCOTUS case on Trump's tariffs. They share their in...
What's an Economic Security Agreement and Why Does the U.S. Need Them? With Peter Harrell
30 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Derisky Business is returning for season 2! After a brief hiatus in which obviously nothing (nothing!) notable happened in the world of tra...
Selling H20 Chips to China Will Come at a Cost, with Liza Tobin
13 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We interrupt our summer break to provide quick reactions to news this week that the Trump administration will begin allowing Nvidia and AMD to sell ce...
Game Over? How the United States Could Have Won the Trade Wars
06 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Emily and Geoff break their summer hiatus to launch a new CNAS report detailing insights from a trade wargame that examined how foreign governments mi...
Happy Summer from Derisky Business!
10 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
While Derisky Business goes on summer break, revisit your favorite episodes of the podcast and dive into the Summer Reading List, featuring book recom...
Richard Nephew on the U.S. military strikes on Iran’s nuclear program
26 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Richard Nephew, expert on sanctions and Iran’s nuclear program, joins Emily and Geoff to discuss the long history of U.S. policy towards Iran...
Tariffs & and the Defense Industrial Base with Becca Wasser, plus what’s new in the U.S.-China trade war
12 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Geoff and Emily debrief on the latest news in the U.S.-China trade talks. Becca Wasser, senior fellow and deputy director of the CNAS defense program,...
LIVE: Derisky Business at the CNAS 2025 National Security Conference
05 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
To celebrate the podcast's one year anniversary, Emily and Geoff break down some big picture questions on how the trade wars are unfolding and the fut...
AI Diffusion with Paul Scharre
22 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Paul Scharre, AI expert and CNAS Executive Vice President, joins Geoff and Emily to talk about Trump’s AI dealmaking in the Gulf, the rescission of ...
How Do You Tariff a Movie and Liza Tobin on the Trade War with China
08 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
China expert Liza Tobin, managing director at Garnaut Global and new CNAS adjunct senior fellow, joins Emily Kilcrease and Geoffrey Gertz to discuss t...
Trump's First 100 Days in Trade Policy
01 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Emily and Geoff look back on the first 100 days of Trump’s trade policy, with a focus on how different parts of the U.S. political and economic syst...
What Just Happened in the Trade War + Getting Yippy with Richard Fontaine
10 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
While Geoff is on travel, CNAS CEO Richard Fontaine joins Emily to unpack the latest trade war developments, including why President Trump paused his ...
BONUS: How Europe Could React to Trump's Tariffs
09 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we have a special episode in our feed from our fellow CNAS podcast Brussels Sprouts, hosted by Andrea Kendall-Taylor and Jim Townsend of th...
Trump’s Liberation Day Tariffs + Gaming How a Trade War Ends
03 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Emily and Geoff are recuperating from a busy Liberation Day of new tariff announcements. On this week’s episode, they break down what new tariffs th...
What Tariffs to Expect When You’re Expecting Liberation Day
27 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Emily and Geoff catch up on the Trump administration’s first big action on China tech competition, before digesting this week’s big tariff news (o...
“Chokepoints” with Edward Fishman
13 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Emily and Geoff are joined by CNAS Adjunct Senior Fellow Eddie Fishman to discuss his new best-selling book Chokepoints, on how America has weaponized...
No Way to Wage a Trade War with Peter Harrell and JP Morgan's Joyce Chang
11 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
On a live episode of Derisky Business, Emily and Geoff sit down with Peter Harrell, former White House Senior Director for International Economics, an...
Canada Reacts to Trump Tariffs with CBC’s Alexander Panetta
07 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Alexander Panetta, Washington correspondent for CBC, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, joins Geoff and Emily to discuss Canada’s reactions to ...
America First Investment Policy + Europe's Trump Strategy with Agathe Demarais
27 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Emily and Geoff catch up on the America First Investment Policy memo and other news from the last week, before sitting down with Agathe Demarais of ...
Bruce Andrews on the Geopolitics of Semiconductors
13 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Emily and Geoff quickly debrief on the week’s tariff news, including new 25% levies on steel and aluminum imports, before chatting all things semico...
O Canada! Making Sense of Last Weekend's Tariffs
07 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Emily and Geoff digest this past weekend’s on-again, off-again 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico, as well as the 10% tariffs on China (that at least ...
Colombia Tariffs, Banning Chinese Drones, and Stacie Pettyjohn on Drone Warfare
30 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Emily and Geoff play a quick round of Tariff Tarot to dissect Trump’s tariff threats on Colombia last weekend. Then they dig in to the bipartisan de...
America First Trade Policy and Trump's First 100 Days
23 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Emily and Geoff dive in on the unfinished business Trump is inheriting and unpack what we learned from the America First Trade Policy executive memo. ...
Biden’s Big Bet to Control AI Diffusion with Paul Scharre
16 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
AI expert Paul Scharre, executive vice president and director of studies at the Center for a New American Security, joins Emily and Geoff to dig into ...
Commerce's Role in Economic Security with Deputy Secretary Don Graves
23 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Deputy Secretary Don Graves joins Emily to talk about the national security mission of the Department of Commerce and to unveil Commerce’s national ...
Taking Trump’s Tariffs Threats Seriously
12 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Join Emily and Geoff to catch up on a whole bunch of economic security news, including the ill fated Nippon Steel / U.S. Steel deal, new chips export ...
Trump’s Treasury and Commerce nominations + Nippon Steel’s bid for U.S. Steel
26 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Emily and Geoff react to the nominations of Scott Bessent for U.S. Treasury Secretary and Howard Lutnick for U.S. Commerce Secretary and overall point...
Trump 2.0's Economic Security Agenda
14 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Emily and Geoff switch from obsessing over the election to obsessing over the transition. They dig into what a Trump 2.0 presidency will mean for tari...
BONUS: Outbound Investment Rule
04 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
The Biden administration released its final rule on regulating outbound U.S. investments going into sensitive tech sectors in China. Emily and Geoff d...
Careers in Economic Security with Michèle Flournoy and John Hughes
31 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Emily and Geoff tackle some of the most common questions on starting and building a career in the field of economic security, with the help of Michèl...
BONUS: Comparing China Sanctions Under Trump and Biden
24 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Join Emily Kilcrease and researcher Eleanor Hume to discuss the latest edition of CNAS's Sanctions by the Numbers series, examining how the U.S.'s san...
U.S. Chip Controls and the Future of AI Compute
17 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
That escalated quickly! Emily and Geoff discuss why the U.S. aim to deny China access to the computing power necessary for frontier AI capabilities ha...
Europe’s Take on Economic Security with EU Ambassador to the U.S. Jovita Neliupšienė
03 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Ambassador Jovita Neliupšienė, the European Union's Ambassador to the United States, joins Emily and Geoff for a wide-ranging conversation on Europe...
How ASML Came to Dominate Chipmaking
19 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
NRC Media reporter Marc Hijink joined co-host Emily Kilcrease at a CNAS event to discuss his book, Focus: The ASML Way. For decades, ASML - the most v...
Geopolitical doomscrolling
05 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Geoff and Emily talk about the tensions between social media platforms and governments around the world, including Telegram’s troubles in France and...
Economic Security in Asia Part 3: The View From Australia with Mike Green
22 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
On this international episode of Derisky Business, recorded at the United States Studies Center in Sydney, Australia, Dr. Mike Green joins the podcast...
Economic Security in Asia Part 2: The Pivot to Asia with Richard Fontaine
08 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Richard Fontaine, CEO of the Center for a New American Security, joins Emily and Geoff to discuss his new book, co-authored with Robert Blackwill...
Economic Security in Asia Part 1: China's growing pains with Dan Rosen
25 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Dan Rosen, leading expert on China's economy and head of the Rhodium Group's China practice, joins Emily and Geoff to talk about the recently conclude...
What a Bunch of Malarkey!
11 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Emily and Geoff discuss the U.S. presidential election and what that might mean for economic security policy. They get into trade policy, what ...
BONUS | How U.S.-China Competition Upended the International Economic Order and What the United States Can Do to Fix It
03 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
On June 26, CNAS hosted an event to discuss a new report, Disorderly Conduct: How U.S.-China Competition Upended the International Economic Order and ...
How to regulate smart, not dumb, with Alan Estevez.
27 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Under Secretary of Commerce Alan Estevez joins Derisky Business to talk tech competition with China, how Russia can still get western ...
The Biden Administration's Economic Security Agenda with Daleep Singh
13 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
On this special live-recorded episode from the 2024 CNAS National Security Conference, Emily Kilcrease talks with Daleep Singh, Deputy National Securi...
Everyone Loves Tariffs!
30 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Welcome to Derisky Business! On this episode, we discuss the Biden Administration’s recent tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles, batteries, solar pa...
Welcome to Derisky Business
26 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
This is Derisky Business, a new podcast from the Center for a New American Security that explores economic security issues within the broader national...