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Dig It with Jo Whiley and Zoe Ball

105: Condom Shoes & Yacht Rock Summer

24 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: Who has been sleeping in Zoe's bed?

0.031 - 11.406 Zoe Ball

Coming up on Dig It. As you know, I hate having my photo taken. I'm not a model. I don't know how to sit. People do your hair and makeup and you're like, I look like a stuffed pig. And I used to feel like a sex doll.

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12.106 - 23.541 Jo Whiley

Back in the day, I would definitely wear stuff that was just too tight and was horrendously uncomfortable. And I'd be wearing it just because I felt like I ought to, because whether it was the male gaze or just the public gaze, I'm not entirely sure.

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23.521 - 31.313 Zoe Ball

Can you imagine if one of your friends started to date your daughter? I mean, you wouldn't. I don't think I'd cope. I wouldn't.

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31.674 - 74.605

All of that right after this. Paasan sähkö on ylihyvä vaihtaa.

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75.698 - 80.563 Jo Whiley

Siksi Vaasan Sähköllä on asiakkaita joka ikisessä Suomen kaupungissa.

80.583 - 81.785 Professor Devi Sridhar

Ai Vaasan Sähköllä.

81.825 - 85.589 Jo Whiley

Just niin. Pitkä historia ja yli hyvä hinta vetää puoleensa.

85.609 - 89.533 Professor Devi Sridhar

Siis näinköhän. Kurkkaa sopparit osoitteesta. Sit onko Rovaniemellä?

89.933 - 91.175 Jo Whiley

Siellä ollaan myös. Tampere?

Chapter 2: What are the challenges of age-gap relationships?

91.415 - 96.741 Jo Whiley

Kyllä. Kurkkaa osoitte. Siis Oulussakin. On, on. Ja osoite on.

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Vaasan Sähkö.fi

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105.196 - 110.543 Jo Whiley

Hi, diggers, first and foremost. Welcome to the show and hi to Zoe. Hello, how are you doing?

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110.783 - 119.134 Zoe Ball

I'm fine, thanks, darling. I think I've got a tag somewhere. No, that's it. You know when you've left a tag in your jumper? Sorry about that. I was just feeling up my armpit.

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119.434 - 126.964 Jo Whiley

I always get that with Steve. He's always like, if I buy anything new, oh, you left your tag out. And I'm like... For some reason, it makes me really defensive.

Chapter 3: How do fashion choices change over time?

127.004 - 132.671 Jo Whiley

I'm always like, yes, I know. I was just about to cut it off, even though I didn't know at all. What is it that makes us do that? I know.

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132.851 - 155.952 Zoe Ball

I've got a real issue with tags in knickers. It's like, why would you put the tag there on the knickers? It's like really uncomfortable. And then if you cut them or pull them sometimes, then they have a bridge bit that then digs in you. Oh, get me on the rant hotline for goodness sake. There's a subject. Yeah. We could rant forever, couldn't we? We could rant. Oh, get it off your chest.

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156.133 - 175.863 Zoe Ball

Actually, I'm in a really good mood because my girl stayed here last night. Yes. Oh, you had Nellie for the night. Yeah, it's a rare thing these days. She's often at Dad's and it's so much easier for her to have one bass. That's fine. But she stayed the night. And she stayed in my bed because there was loads of stuff on her bed. So I was like, yes. But apparently that's not cool.

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175.883 - 182.993 Zoe Ball

So we have not put this on the pod. Oh, no. Wink, wink. I said to her, you won't hear it anyway. She went, yes, but my friends' mums will.

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183.867 - 203.568 Jo Whiley

damn it my parents like who there is so much to talk about with my parents there is so much to say and uh and i now i've got the fear after my dad called me a shit i don't dare say anything about them at all Apart from if anybody else has got parents and you're trying to sort out their pills, solidarity to that little tribe.

203.708 - 218.601 Jo Whiley

Because, oh my God, the whole thing about trying to get them into, I think they're called, I'm learning a whole new lexicon now, docets. I think are little boxes where you have like day, morning, afternoon, evening, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then they know which tablets to take at which time.

218.982 - 231.681 Jo Whiley

My dad seems incapable of actually bothering to look at those and bothering to take the tablets half the time. But that's a whole other argument, which I'm sure other diggers will be having with their parents as well. But yeah, God, it's complicated.

231.701 - 245.601 Zoe Ball

I thought it was bad for me with my supplements, but you know what? I've kind of given up on half of them at the moment. You know, sometimes you look at them and you think, what do these even do? But that is probably what your dad is looking at thinking. I know. what does this even do?

Chapter 4: What are the latest trends in summer footwear?

245.861 - 248.224 Zoe Ball

Do I need to take these? Yes, you do Joe's dad.

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248.945 - 266.386 Jo Whiley

Yeah. The other day, no, he was like, I just don't feel I need to take them. And a whole room full of us were going, no dad, you really do. You've got Parkinson's. And then he went, but doesn't Parkinson's just go away? And that was like the heartbreaking moment of the whole chat. And we all went, no dad, it doesn't. But if you take the tablets, it will help.

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267.407 - 284.053 Jo Whiley

But every day it's like Groundhog Day, you know, you have the same conversations over and over again. We're going to be like this for our kids one day. You realise that, don't you? I suspect we are, even though I keep promising them I absolutely won't be. India just keeps going, I'm the eldest daughter. I just know that I'm going to end up being the one who looks after you all.

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285.315 - 290.183 Jo Whiley

At which point all the other siblings just melt away and they're like, ha ha, la la, something to do.

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290.298 - 305.927 Zoe Ball

Yeah, poor India. She really will have. See, that was the good thing about, you know, I love the fact that the kids have each other. So at least they'll be able to call each other and be like, oh, your mum's being crazy. Can you come out? But Nell just keeps saying, don't worry, I'm going to put you into a home.

305.907 - 312.986 Jo Whiley

And I'm like, yeah, fine. I'm so pleased for you that you had Nellie to stay. It's really precious. Just those nights. Did you watch anything in particular? What did you do?

313.266 - 336.29 Zoe Ball

She was watching Love Island and then she literally just came and clambered into bed. Because I think she'd gone to a post GCSE party, but... it had all been called off. Her social life is going to be quite hectic this summer. So I am grateful for any time that she is home early. I'm like, yay. And I don't have to lie, they're worrying about where she is or how she is.

336.951 - 356.461 Jo Whiley

I tried to watch Love Island. I don't know whether you've dipped into it at all, but in previous series, I've actually thrown myself into it with Coco and I've kind of followed the storylines. I've followed the people. I've got quite obsessed with some of them. And this time I was like, I am so old and they are so young and they've had so much work done from the age that they are.

356.742 - 370.626 Zoe Ball

I think my Love Island days are done now. I've done a lot of Love Island. And actually I have to say, I have loved it and I'm quite excited. Sometimes I go in the hairdressers when Hadley does my hair. I sometimes see Chloe or Millie in there and I'm like,

Chapter 5: How do you care for a garden of 5,000 roses?

560.573 - 578.897 Zoe Ball

Dressing for other people. I always loved the tribes in fashion. And I sometimes feel that some of that has gone and that everybody seems to just all dress the same. Like everyone's wearing the same outfits. I used to love the fashion tribes. You could tell people in their music tastes, you know, the grunge gang and the...

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578.877 - 600.21 Zoe Ball

and the goths and the you know um teddy boys that's not quite the right era but you know what i mean you could sort of tell something about people by the way they're dressed and i quite loved that it's gone a bit yeah i i loved new romantics and the whole the blitz club and the embassy club in london when they were just the old not teddy boys the old teddy boys

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600.19 - 621.962 Jo Whiley

The alternative 80s, I thought, was amazing. The Spandau Ballet and Boy George. They just looked fantastic. The use of makeup and the clothes that they were wearing. It was so completely different to anything that we were seeing at the time. It was really exciting. I always wanted to look like that. I was a goth, but I always really wanted to stray into that more extreme look.

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621.942 - 640.457 Jo Whiley

I really, really like that. But now I quite enjoy dressing like a grownup. There are certain brands out there and it's just like really classy clothes. It's the kind of stuff that Chris and Scott Thomas would wear or Cate Blanchett. And I find myself gravitating towards those. So instead of following fashion, I'm like, oh,

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640.437 - 663.499 Jo Whiley

I really like a really good shirt and some really cool trousers and I like the way they hang. And yeah, I feel like I'm quite enjoying dressing from an older woman. I'm enjoying that. Not in a fuddy-duddy way, but in a really kind of like, that is cool. That is really cool. We work with someone called Lorna Clark and she's one of my style icons. She's just one of those people who's a boss.

663.919 - 676.695 Jo Whiley

And when she wears her clothes, she is bossing it. And I always think, oh, I wonder where Lorna got those clothes from. And I bet I know. And I go out and I But we all have those people, don't we, that we aspire to and we kind of copy on the sly. And Lorna's definitely one of those people for me.

677.036 - 679.86 Zoe Ball

I am in my Sue Sylvester era, I think.

Chapter 6: What makes Yacht Rock the perfect summer music genre?

680.12 - 701.614 Zoe Ball

Who's that? Glee. She was played by Jane Lynch. Do you remember? She was kind of the sports coach of the Cheerios. And she was really ruthless and quite vindictive, but sort of turned out to be, you know, the greatest philosopher of telly. No, I played by Jane Lynch, who I love. And I yesterday had bought this.

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702.716 - 721.892 Zoe Ball

There was a sale on a JD Sports and I was like, I'm so into my sort of summer Adidas look. But I think I'd taken it a step too far. And I had this zip up yellow top that goes sort of with these tracksuit bottoms. I put it on this morning to wear downstairs and I was like, all right, Sue Sylvester. So I changed into this because it was just a bit much.

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722.994 - 749.538 Zoe Ball

Yeah, I've got a shoot this week, Jo, and I'm a bit like, what is my look? Because I've had all this time out, I haven't really been doing a lot of events or going into work. I've just been talking to you on the pod and stuff. I'm a bit like, I'd forgotten how to dress. I put the bins out in my Sue Sylvester outfit and I just had this moment of, what are you doing? Get back in the house.

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750.119 - 761.069 Zoe Ball

So luckily for us, when we do work, I've got the fabulous Arabella. Bella came round and was like, in the shoot, you're going to wear this, this, this, this.

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Chapter 7: How does nostalgia influence our music choices?

761.089 - 774.393 Zoe Ball

I was like, oh, thank God. Thank God you've reminded me how to dress. in a working environment because I've completely forgotten and I don't know what my look is anymore. Each season you kind of have to find a look, don't you?

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774.694 - 794.513 Jo Whiley

Yeah, I think that's what I mean about the grown-up look. I like brands like Margaret Howell and Studio Nicholson, but they're ridiculously expensive. So You buy maybe one item from there, or you don't buy an item from there because it's too expensive, but then you can get them from other places. And thank God for Instagram. That's where I do most of my fashion browsing now.

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794.593 - 806.254 Jo Whiley

That's where I get all my inspiration from. Just looking and seeing what Elle is saying on the current trends or seeing what, oh God, I don't know, Margot Robbie is wearing and then just copying those people. Yeah.

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806.234 - 828.586 Zoe Ball

You wear what Margot Robbie is wearing. Oh my God, that is amazing. I would absolutely not wear what Margot Robbie is wearing because I'm not Margot Robbie in any way, shape or form. Yeah. I try to think of who my fashion icon is these days. I don't really know. I think I'd like it to be Diane Keaton, but I'm nowhere near getting that right at all.

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828.886 - 839.481 Zoe Ball

I think maybe, yeah, maybe I'll choose, maybe that will be my winter, my seasonal try and be more Diane. I can never be Diane Keaton. There's only one Diane Keaton, but...

839.461 - 853.039 Jo Whiley

There are some ridiculous trends around at the moment. I read about the red flip-flop. Apparently the red flip-flop is the thing for the summer. And so I've now... Oh, is this the one in M&S? I'm normally really, really happy with my black Havianas. I love them. I wear them all the time. I love a flip-flop.

853.119 - 869.08 Zoe Ball

You need arches, Jo. You need arches. I know. They are so good. They're all one piece. They never come apart. They don't get baggy on your feet and they support your arch. Most flip-flops eventually get a bit baggy because they come a bit loose the more you wear them. No, never have that. Yeah. No, no.

869.14 - 877.312 Jo Whiley

So which ones are you talking about? I didn't hear what you said. Archies, they're called. Oh, they're actually called Archies. I thought you were just repeating arches. No, I'm not.

877.332 - 885.644 Zoe Ball

Yes, I know our feet have arches and we need arches. No, this is what's happened. Now I'm literally wearing Asics and Archies because they support my feet.

Chapter 8: What are the implications of friends dating each other's children?

1359.941 - 1360.601 Professor Devi Sridhar

Hi, Nell.

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1360.882 - 1381.54 Zoe Ball

They're saying hi. Congratulations, Nell. Freedom. Oh, my girl. Oh, how nice of her around. Oh, I know. She's so beautiful. What we talk about, Alice and Steve. I actually felt a little bit uncomfortable when I was watching this. You explain why. Well, it's an interesting concept. I had so many people say, you've got to watch Alice and Steve. You'll absolutely love it.

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1382.041 - 1414.838 Zoe Ball

So Alice and Steve are best friends, Nicola Walker and Jermaine Clement. They've been best friends for years. And they go out one night and they get rather drunk. And then it turns out that Steve has gotten together with Alice's daughter, Izzy, who is 26. And then what ensues is the fallout of your best mate getting together with your daughter. I mean, it's too much.

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1414.958 - 1431.101 Zoe Ball

And I know that the reviewers are all a bit divided on whether it was a bit Icky and a bit like, it's like, it's not real. It's just a story. But I think what it is, it's about friendship and family and crossing the line and where is right and wrong and age differences.

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1431.141 - 1455.728 Zoe Ball

And there's so much in this and it is great fun, but it is also some of it you are watching through fingers thinking, what would I do in this situation? I mean, you know, I mean, if you think about it, so Izzy, Izzy's character is a little bit younger than India and But can you imagine if one of your friends started to date your daughter? I mean, you wouldn't.

1455.888 - 1477.369 Jo Whiley

I don't think I'd cope. I wouldn't. When they go in for the first kiss, I literally was watching from behind my fingers. And I definitely got the ick. I was like, oh, I cannot watch. This is disgusting. But, you know, amongst India's friends, I'm trying to think now if there are any examples of this. I've certainly got... male friends or know of male friends.

1477.389 - 1501.127 Jo Whiley

I'm really worried about what I'm going to say here. I think we have older friends who've got themselves younger models and everyone just goes, what? Like 20 years between them? That's going to cause problems later down the line, possibly. And I'm not entirely comfortable. But no, the idea, I just don't think... that India would go for somebody who was 50 and certainly not any of her dad's mates.

1501.147 - 1525.733 Zoe Ball

Well, it definitely brings up a lot of subjects here and the fallout is just so extreme because it then affects every relationship within the family. It affects, you know, Alice's own relationship with her fella played by Joel Fry, who's great. I must point out that Izzy, who's played by Yali, her grandfather was Topol from Fiddler on the Roof. Did you know that? That's my random fact for you.

1526.153 - 1545.379 Zoe Ball

But it is, the thing is when you're watching it and I really enjoyed it, but it did, I feel like it went a bit, I was a bit like, where's this going and who really loves who? And I wasn't massively convinced by them being together because I don't think they looked right together and I don't feel it felt right together. And as the story goes on, I'm like, hang on a minute, are they together?

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