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Dig It with Jo Whiley and Zoe Ball

96: Ideal Retirement Communes and Virginity Songs

27 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 18.217 Zoe Ball

Coming up on Dig It. I couldn't even make my face go into focus. And the only thing I could make go into focus was my top lip, which as a woman of my age, you should never look at your top lip with makeup on. Because exactly that. I'd call it like a cider bus if we were going to have a retirement home. Maybe a cider bus. What, you would retire on a cider bus?

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18.357 - 31.098 Zoe Ball

It might be a little bit like Glastonbury. So we could have a rave cave. Yes. Harry Styles was giving an award to Radiohead and he confessed that he had lost his virginity to Radiohead's talk show host. Good song.

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Chapter 2: What unique features do Jo and Zoe envision for their ideal retirement commune?

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Really lovely song. Very romantic. Do you remember the song that you lost your virginity to? Mine, Joe. Gone. Was all of that right after this.

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Chapter 3: What song did Harry Styles reveal he lost his virginity to?

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79.934 - 85.262 Zoe Ball

Hello, lovely Jo. Are you enjoying the summertime? Oh, hi, Zoe. Yeah, I really am. Oh, my gosh.

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Chapter 4: Do Jo and Zoe remember the songs they lost their virginity to?

85.282 - 99.263 Zoe Ball

It feels like everything's switched. Everything's changed. And yeah, I'm feeling very good and very positive. I have to if I can just apologize, make a statement. If people are watching this on YouTube and you think there's something a little bit weird about me, it's not been an easy morning coming to talk to you this morning.

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99.964 - 117.108 Zoe Ball

That's because I was getting ready and I couldn't find my makeup sponge. So I went to Coco's makeup bag and I just grabbed the first makeup sponge I could find and It was very early in the morning. So I started to put my makeup on and I put all my foundation on. And then I looked at myself in the mirror and I was like, oh, I look a little bit different than how I normally look.

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And I was this lovely shade of luminous green because I grabbed the makeup sponge. The last time it was used had been done at a fancy dress party and used to make someone look like Shrek. Oh no. I'd put green makeup all on my face. Oh, my God. I'm not sick. I don't feel ill. It's just that I can't get the freaking stuff off my face. I will tell you, though, Jo, I think you've never looked better.

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140.317 - 164.582 Zoe Ball

Maybe this is somewhere where we've all been going wrong. We need a green base. Before we put our own makeup on. Thank God you even noticed it. That's hilarious. I just looked, I was like, I really look a bit weird. In fact, I look green. Why do I look green? Oh, I tried a new makeup this week because I'm still in my never ending quest to find the perfect foundation for makeup.

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164.562 - 187.296 Zoe Ball

a woman of you know whose paws just swallow everything and everything goes chalky so i'm trying another one this week i'll let you know how that works out for me what have you gone for what is it uh this week i've gone for charlotte tilbury beautiful skin right which i saw a fanta salma hayek putting it on her face i mean i don't know why again because salma hayek is so beautiful

187.276 - 208.235 Zoe Ball

She's an amazing Hollywood actress. She is so stunning. And I thought, wow, she looks great. I'm going to try that. So anyway, I'll let you know how that works out. Okay. But can I just say, we shared a cab the other day and when, because we were going to Chelsea Flower Show, which we're going to talk about now. And I said at one point, I was like, oh God, have you got a mirror?

208.275 - 228.724 Zoe Ball

Can I just check my makeup? And you got this mirror out for me. And I mean, the magnifying effect must have been like 10 million. I couldn't even make my face go into focus. And the only thing I could make go into focus was my top lip, which as a woman of my age, you should never look at your top lip with makeup on because exactly that. Furry, chalky, powdery.

228.704 - 249.651 Zoe Ball

It's because I'm so blind though, Jo. Should I throw away the magnifier? The thing is, I need the magnifying mirror to apply the makeup because I can't see where it's going. And I have to put my contact lenses in, but I still have to wear glasses if I'm reading. Oh, the trials, the troubles and the tribulations. If you're loving Dig It so far, hit follow or subscribe.

249.731 - 268.954 Zoe Ball

That way you'll get brand new episodes as soon as they're out. Can I say though, it was so lovely to hang out in person because obviously we do the pod, but you live over there and I live over here and our lives, apart from we're doing the pod, are quite separate. And it was so great to go to Chelsea together.

Chapter 5: What amusing incident happened to Jo while getting ready for the podcast?

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She was working with David Beckham, with Alan Titchmarsh and with the King himself, HRH, to make this garden. And it was so beautiful. It had so many curious elements.

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areas that we got to discover and you can see the whole thing it's all on youtube we just love doing this going to flower show giving you all an insight of what it's like there but i wanted to mention um ollie who is from ollie adventurous um joinery and he built the cabin the all the all the woodwork there and it was so extraordinary it was really beautiful really rustic and uh just very very effective and he's such a lovely guy and we both got to meet him i think and his wife as

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I know. Sally. And I met him a couple of years ago. He'd made a really beautiful table for another garden project at Chelsea. And he's really young. He works with a really dynamic team. And my dream one day, Jo, is to have a garden where I can call up Holly and say... Would you and your team build me something for my garden? That is my dream. Loads of people to shout out. Well done to Christina.

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484.271 - 505.22 Zoe Ball

We did some recording on her garden and she won a gold, which was wonderful to see. Yeah, really young girl, wasn't she? Really young and vibrant and passionate about gardening. She had this amazing greenhouse, which we were both quite jealous of. But also we talked about the planting that she had in her garden. She'd built this beautiful model of what it was to look like.

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505.3 - 533.869 Zoe Ball

And then that model was in the greenhouse that she made. She was so fabulous. I also wanted to give a massive shout out to the team behind the Plant Heritage Collector Garden Foundation. The Missing Collector Garden. Sally, Will and Kate. And I spent quite a bit of time with them on Monday as they were nervously waiting for His Majesty the King and the Queen who were going to visit their garden.

533.889 - 552.392 Zoe Ball

And they were having this fantastic discussion about who should speak. Sally, who's another ADHD girl. Woohoo! We had a hilarious chat and she was saying the thing is, I'll just say too much. And because obviously you've got to be quite quick because the king and queen have got a lot of gardens to get around. And, you know, there's the etiquette.

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And we were talking about, do you curtsy, do you bow or do you accidentally go to do one of them and then headbutt? I mean, it's like the things that can go wrong. And I was so excited when I got home later on that night and I'd only met them that day. And they are such a brilliant collective. They'd come together as a group of designers to do this fabulous garden.

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And I saw them on the telly and I whooped and cheered for them. And it looked like it had gone very well when they met the king. Also, Charlie Chase, who designed the Young Minds Garden.

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I wanted to mention them as well.

Chapter 6: What insights do Jo and Zoe share about attending the Chelsea Flower Show?

994.112 - 1016.93 Zoe Ball

I'd call like a cider bus if we were going to have a retirement home, maybe a cider bus. You would retire on a cider bus or you would have a cider bus as well? Yeah, because I'm thinking it might be a little bit like Glastonbury. So we could have a rave cave. Yes. We could have a cider bus. But you've also got then you can do like early morning gentle Pilates. Yeah, we could. In a teepee. Yes.

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1017.19 - 1036.382 Zoe Ball

Yeah. And the idea of having a garden that we could all tend would be good. Tend our lady gardens there. Tending our lady gardens with the ladies in the garden. I quite like the idea. I don't think I'd want to be just with women because I love the men in my life and the boys in my life as well. So I think I definitely want it to be unisex.

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1036.682 - 1058.202 Zoe Ball

I just think for me, in my group of friends, with my kids, I don't think I'd need it to be all women. But I can understand why people would want to do all women. And I do think, you know, I remember my mum, you know, there was a lot of women and a lot of them had lost their husbands. Yeah. And, you know, the widows really supported each other. It was great. So I'd like unisex, please.

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1058.483 - 1078.74 Zoe Ball

Yeah, I think a little bit like Glastonbury, but with hot running water. I'm definitely going to need baths and showers. As I get older, I'm probably going to need one that I can be slid into. As well. Hoists. We may need hoists. My mum always used to talk about hoists because she did a bit of care and she'd been trained in hoists. Oh my God, they're essential. They really are.

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1078.84 - 1089.012 Zoe Ball

When I've been looking after my mum when she'd had her operation, I'd get home and I'd get into bed at the end of the day and my shoulders would be really aching, my back and my arms because I've been lifting her and supporting her.

1088.992 - 1107.061 Zoe Ball

Well, my stepdad had motor neurone disease and mum told me about these amazing sheets that had been invented that was sort of a slippy sheet system that you could turn someone who's really losing the power in their body. So you can turn. So I was like, oh, yes, I'm definitely will definitely need some of those sheets. Eventually.

1107.081 - 1131.279 Zoe Ball

I think it's a great idea, though, communal living with your friends. And when that point comes when you need to live somewhere where there is some extra care and support, to be with your friends would be so wonderful. It might be less daunting than going into... Yeah, because I do think that, you know, when people do have to go into full time care, it's so heartbreaking, isn't it?

1131.519 - 1152.409 Zoe Ball

For many people leaving your home, leaving your surroundings, leaving all your things. So knowing that you maybe start that process a little bit younger, where you're already living with your friends and your surroundings, and maybe you've condensed your belongings at that point. Yeah. Got to really love the people you're moving in with, haven't you?

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Because, you know, sometimes it'd be like, well, you won't believe what Beryl's done now. Yeah. The less tolerant we get and the grumpier we get as we get older as well. Can you imagine living with other people? They've got to be your best friends in the world. Wiley's got shoes on all night. I'm trying to sleep. Last week was the Ivor Novellos, which is the Songwriters Awards.

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