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Dinesh D’Souza: Everyone Will Turn Against Israel (Here’s Why) | DSH #1667

10 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic of Dinesh D'Souza's documentary?

0.031 - 13.563 Sean Kelly

What really interests me is this, that you've got, I think, a younger generation, and I feel a lot of sympathy for this younger generation, because these people have been screwed over. They have been lied to, not just by the CDC or the NIH or the FBI.

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13.623 - 28.056 Sean Kelly

They've also been lied to by their teachers and their professors, and they've been beaten down, and they've been intimidated, and they've been told, you know, you're white, you're responsible for all the evils of the world, you bear the guilt of the white man through the centuries, you know, you did the Crusades, you did the Inquisition.

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Chapter 2: How is biblical archaeology impacting our understanding of history?

28.216 - 30.038 Sean Kelly

And these poor young people are like, what the?

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Chapter 3: What happened on October 7th and why is it significant?

30.018 - 41.243 Dinesh D'Souza

We are live now with Dinesh D'Souza, just released a new documentary, The Dragon's Prophecy.

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Chapter 4: What are the implications of unreleased footage in the propaganda war?

41.263 - 42.325 Dinesh D'Souza

Thanks for your time today, Dinesh.

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Chapter 5: How does D'Souza differentiate between just war and terrorism?

43.387 - 44.951 Sean Kelly

Hey, it's a pleasure. Thanks for having me on.

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45.151 - 46.775 Dinesh D'Souza

Absolutely. I watched the documentary.

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Chapter 6: What insights did D'Souza gain from interviewing survivors?

46.815 - 48.178 Dinesh D'Souza

Well done. Really well put together.

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49.458 - 74.931 Sean Kelly

Thank you. I've been at this for now about 12 years, and I think the films have gotten a little better each time. And this was kind of an interesting topic because it's such a wide landscape. I'm covering politics, but I'm also covering the Bible. I'm going from the most ancient times all the way to biblical forecasts about the end times. So this film is a departure for me.

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74.991 - 88.446 Sean Kelly

My earlier films have in one way or another been about the meaning of America. This topic covers Israel and Hamas and radical Islam, but it also covers biblical archaeology and a little hint of biblical prophecy.

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88.907 - 92.931 Dinesh D'Souza

And what was your goal going into this film? What did you want to, I guess, captivate people?

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94.126 - 110.51 Sean Kelly

Well, it came about in a funny way. My wife and I went to Israel for the first time at the end of 2022, and I discovered all this biblical archaeology that has, by and large, been going on in a big way since the founding of Israel in 1948, but it's really accelerated in the last 25 years.

Chapter 7: What is the connection between conspiracies and young people's beliefs?

111.011 - 132.879 Sean Kelly

What's really happening is you've got all these personalities in the Bible. Some are from the New Testament, people like the high priest called Caiaphas, who presides over the trial of Jesus, or Pontius Pilate. And then you go further back in time into the Old Testament, people like the prophets Jeremiah or Isaiah, and even further back to about 1000 BC, King David, King Solomon.

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132.959 - 155.551 Sean Kelly

So for many, many centuries, these guys were in the Bible, but they were nowhere else. They were only in the Bible. You had to take them on faith. But now out of the ground are coming clay seals, stone inscriptions, artifacts. coins, and all these guys, these figures are jumping out of the Bible and into the pages of history via the pathway of archaeology.

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155.571 - 177.825 Sean Kelly

So I found this stuff really fascinating. And then a year later, October 7th, and I thought to myself, whoa, this is really remarkable. I've never seen something like this where people who are doing a homicidal attack are on civilians are going to film it and broadcast it as if they are extremely proud of it. And so I thought to myself, that's when I got the idea of doing the film.

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178.766 - 198.552 Sean Kelly

And I realized that the biblical archaeology bears on October 7th in the sense that it can help us to settle the key question, whose land is it? That's the fundamental question here at stake. And so I thought, look, I'm not going to be able to answer these questions definitively, but I think I can throw some interesting light on them.

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198.532 - 214.523 Sean Kelly

by going to Israel, by examining October 7th and the war, now the peace plan in its widest implications, and connecting it to the scenes depicted in the Bible and also to the archaeology coming out of the Bible.

215.084 - 219.433 Dinesh D'Souza

Yeah, your interviews with some of those 07 survivors really stood out to me, honestly.

Chapter 8: What does D'Souza predict for the future of America and its stance on Israel?

219.453 - 220.675 Dinesh D'Souza

I've never seen their perspective.

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222.173 - 244.182 Sean Kelly

One of them, I'm happy to say now, her name is Lisha Miran, and she is now reunited with her husband. But she gives this harrowing account of how their family was raided, the Hamas terrorists coming through the window. They rush into a safe room and hide. The terrorists go next door and grab the teenage kid, and they basically put a gun to his head and say, you know...

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244.162 - 257.654 Sean Kelly

If you don't open the door, we'll shoot this kid. And so this is the kind of horror that they lived through. I also realized while I was talking to this woman outside her kibbutz that we happened to have the footage of her house.

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258.314 - 274.168 Sean Kelly

So in this case, you know, normally in a documentary, you interview someone and they describe some harrowing events and then you have to recreate them to give the audience a feel for what it's like. In this case, I don't have to do that because I've got the actual footage. So that's part of what I think makes the film so powerful.

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274.148 - 287.141 Sean Kelly

is that much of this October 7 footage, now the government of Israel has it, but they've never released it. And so some of it is being shown, at least to the general public, for the first time in this film.

288.203 - 290.048 Dinesh D'Souza

Do you agree with their decision not to release it?

291.023 - 311.606 Sean Kelly

Well, their reasoning was that this was out of respect to the hostage families. So I think they had their own reasons for not doing it. But look at it. You don't release it. And so people know about October 7th, but they have no experiential sense of being there. To me, as a filmmaker, this is a fatal mistake.

311.746 - 329.712 Sean Kelly

It's kind of like if I were to tell you, Sean, I would tell you, you know, I grew up in India. And let me tell you about my life when I was 10 years old as a kid. You wouldn't have a good feel of that. But if I say, here's a video, that's me at the age of 10. That's my family. That's what we ate for breakfast. That's the little vendor who came selling bananas on the street.

330.112 - 349.647 Sean Kelly

You would get the sense that you were there. I'd be putting you on the scene. And so I think that's very important that wasn't done. And that's why for the subsequent two years, you'd see scenes out of Gaza and all people's sympathies went to the civilians in Gaza. And I'm not saying that that's wrong. but it was isolated from the original offense.

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