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How to Stay Healthy When Vaccines Fail You | Dr. Joel Warsh DSH #1291
02 Apr 2025
Chapter 1: What are the challenges with vaccine efficacy?
You can talk about the vaccine. That's fine. It's very effective. It's 97% effective. That's fine. That's good for people to know. But we also need to know what can we do to be healthy if we do get exposed to measles? No vaccine is 100% effective. So if it doesn't work for you for some reason, how do you stay the most healthy? How do you prevent the risk of having a reaction from a vaccine?
Okay, guys, Dr. Gator here today. We're going to talk about vaccines. Thank you for having me here. Absolutely. It feels good that we can freely discuss this now.
I know. It's so weird. I was telling you before that even just a few months ago when I would go on shows, I still was not overly comfortable talking about it. I was on all sorts of podcasts and shows years ago, and that was the one thing I said, like, you know, we just can't talk about it because it's so controversial, which is so unfortunate because we have to.
Yeah. How has your opinion on vaccines changed over time? It's changed a lot. I mean, I think that when you go through training and medical school and then training in pediatrics, you don't really learn a lot about vaccines. I mean, you're certainly taught what vaccines there are. You're taught about the diseases. You're taught about the schedule, but that's about it.
And you just really kind of take that at face value and you just start going ahead and discussing that with your patients. You don't really think about it. And over the years, especially being an integrative practitioner, I've received more and more questions about vaccines. It's really the number one thing that people ask me about, whether it's on social media or in the office.
And I just got frustrated with some of the information that I didn't know, some of the information that didn't seem to be available. And... That's what really led me to want to write a book about vaccines because I just feel like we need to discuss this. We need to have the debate. And everything seems to be so one-sided and so polarized. But parents have questions. Most people are in the middle.
And like most things, it's nuanced. And so I really wanted to dive into that research and see what's out there. And the reality is there's a lot of holes in the research when it comes to vaccines. Can we talk about some of them? Yeah. I think the biggest two...
Well, the biggest three, number one would be the, if you go back in time and look at the initial research on vaccines, a lot of it was not done in the way that we would consider optimal trials today. So that's number one. Number two, we really don't have great research on vaccines long-term complications with vaccines.
I think we really don't have a good understanding of how vaccines might affect chronic disease or long-term complications. And I think the biggest one is really autism. I was really shocked. I mean, the most shocked
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Chapter 2: How can parents make informed vaccine decisions?
I think that with an integrative mindset, there are so many families and individuals that are much more open to getting outside of just mainstream medicine. I think people realize that There are parts of medicine that are great. I mean, certainly we're really lucky to have an emergency room and we're really lucky to have x-rays and MRIs and a medication can save your life.
But we're so quick to jump to medicine and there's so much more to health. And I think that there's just such a growing momentum towards this understanding. And certainly that's happening in politics. I mean, it's crazy, right? That we're talking about kids' health and the president's talking about it and RFK is in power now and then...
this was not something that was going on just a few years ago, but there is this movement and a coalition to come together for our kids and for health. And it shouldn't be political. I hope it removes itself from politics and becomes more bipartisan. But thankfully, at least some people started talking about it. And that's important because our health is suffering.
Like 50% of kids have a chronic disease. That's insane. Holy crap. It's more than that in adults, but it's, you know, whatever study you look at 25 to 50%, but it's, if half the kids have chronic condition, one third have diabetes or prediabetes, half are overweight or obese. And those numbers are not okay. It wasn't like that just a few decades ago.
Yeah, that's not good at all. I mean, that is super concerning. These are children, like they haven't even reached adulthood yet and 50% of them have chronic disease.
Yeah, they're getting... Diseases that were not even a part of childhood before. I mean, type 2 diabetes is literally called adult-unset diabetes. It happened in kids. Even when I was... When we were younger, we wouldn't see that. I mean, maybe there's a kid or two, but almost nobody. And now you can get it in age 10, 12, 13, 15. We're doing some things wrong. Yeah.
That doesn't mean that every part of medicine is bad, right? Like we used to die when we were 40. So not everything is bad. People are living longer, but now we're seeing that curve go backwards, right? And we're starting to see life expectancy go down again and chronic disease rates go up.
So we have to have a little bit of humility in medicine to say, okay, we're good at some of these things, but maybe we're not the best at chronic diseases. So let's find some balance. Let's go backwards a little bit. Let's see what we used to do a little better. What are we doing in the last 10, 20, 30 years that's changed?
And maybe not all of that is the best, because our health is certainly not the best in the world. So what do we need to do to change that? And everything should be on the table, including vaccines. It should be on the table as a discussion point, not to say that we shouldn't ever do vaccines, but we want to do it in the best way to optimize health.
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