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Scaling to 8 Figures: Eric Siu's Unconventional Method | Eric Siu DSH #1095
Mon, 13 Jan 2025
🚀 Scaling to 8 Figures: Eric Siu's Unconventional Method 💰 Join Sean Kelly as he sits down with marketing guru Eric Siu to uncover the secrets behind scaling a business to 8 figures! 🔥 Eric shares his journey from esports gamer to successful entrepreneur, revealing unconventional strategies that propelled his agency to new heights. In this eye-opening conversation, you'll discover: • Why business is the ultimate game for former gamers 🎮 • The power of focus and long-term thinking in entrepreneurship 💼 • Eric's insights on crypto, AI, and the future of marketing 📈 • The truth about agency valuations and exit strategies 💸 Don't miss out on Eric's game-changing advice on building a sustainable business and achieving financial freedom. Whether you're an aspiring entrepreneur or a seasoned business owner, this episode is packed with valuable insights you can't afford to miss! 🎧 Listen to Eric's podcasts: • Marketing School • Leveling Up 👉 Follow Eric: @ericosiu on Twitter and Instagram Hit that subscribe button and join the Digital Social Hour community for more insider secrets from top entrepreneurs! 🚀 #DigitalSocialHour #SeanKelly #EricSiu #Entrepreneurship #MarketingTips #BusinessGrowth #aiautomationagency #aiautomation #googletrends #aitools #aiagency CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:57 - How Eric Made His Money 02:26 - Eric's AI Innovations 04:32 - Dangers of AI Technology 06:37 - AI Saving Eric Money 08:44 - Acquiring Business Agencies 12:09 - Future Trends in Podcasting 17:29 - Your YPO Networking Event 18:33 - Importance of In-Person Performances 19:56 - Recent Podcast Valuation Trends 21:33 - Consistency in Business Success 23:00 - Poker Strategies and Business 24:05 - Business as a 24/7 Sport 26:40 - Success Without a Degree 29:04 - Upcoming Podcast Guests 30:11 - Utility Friends vs. Personal Friends 32:44 - US Fertility Rate Insights 34:45 - Financial Requirements for Success 36:11 - Agency Space Saturation Analysis 37:45 - What's Next for Eric APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [email protected] GUEST: Eric Siu https://www.instagram.com/ericosiu SPONSORS: SPECIALIZED RECRUITING GROUP: https://www.srgpros.com/ LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/
Chapter 1: How did Eric Siu transition from gaming to entrepreneurship?
You give up gaming too? I know you used to play esports. I can't play games anymore because anytime I start playing a game, like I started playing Diablo 3 maybe like when I was 27 or 28. And I'm just like, I just kept thinking about business. Business is the ultimate game. And I think any kid that grows up playing games, I was just like, dude, what am I going to do?
What if I can't find a game to play in real life?
All right, guys, we got Eric on the show today. One of the top marketing podcasts, right? Yeah. Thanks for having me, Sean. Absolutely, man. I've been following you for a bit now.
So it's cool to finally meet in person. We crossed back and forth, I think, during all the crypto stuff, but it's great to finally meet you. Yeah.
Crypto market's been, it looks like it might come back. I think hopefully it rips next year. We'll see. Yeah. Bitcoin's already at 68, right? So, and people are upset about that. Yeah. I don't know why it's like, it's close to all time highs. Yeah. I guess cause ETH is a little low, but yeah, we'll see. Next bull run might be a good one. I think it will rip.
Is that how you made a lot of your money crypto?
Uh, yeah, I mean, I'd say the vast majority of my net worth's in business. Um, but I think, you know, crypto, I don't know if you played a lot, you're Asian. You probably played a lot of games growing up. So did I. Right. So it's just a way of, uh, gaming as an entrepreneur now. So yeah. Yeah.
I remember buying crypto in like high school and I just kept that. Oh man.
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Chapter 2: What unconventional methods did Eric use to scale his business?
What year was that? I was a junior. So 2014. Okay. So yeah, I bought my first Bitcoin when I was 2013. Yeah. And one Bitcoin and I sold it when it was 2000. Yeah.
Paper hands. Yeah. Paper hands.
Paper hands.
Oh man. You went the full route, academic route, right? College degree and everything.
I did for my parents, not for me though. Same.
Yeah. I didn't make it all the way. Oh, you didn't? Yeah.
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Chapter 3: How is AI influencing the marketing landscape?
Good for you.
Well, here's how I justified because Asian mother, I had to provide some revenue first. So I started a business freshman year. I think it got to like 150K and then I dropped out. That's great. Yeah. Yeah.
So you proved yourself.
Yeah. But a lot of people want to drop out with nothing. So it's like the risk to reward. Yeah, they're not thinking it through. Yeah. What did you major in? History and econ. Whoa. Yeah.
But I did that because I wanted to play poker longer. So I stayed one more year extra in high school to play poker longer. Oh, so you were a poker player back then? Yeah.
Damn. History. History. I've never heard that major.
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Chapter 4: What are the risks and rewards of AI technology?
Yeah, it's a total BS major because all I did was go to Wikipedia the day before I needed to turn something in. I just like read it and I wrote something and that was it. Oh, that's hilarious. That was before AI.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now you just use AI. Yeah, I remember those five page essays in college. Oh my gosh. Now people are writing it in minutes or using AI every day.
Chapter 5: What can we expect from the future of podcasting?
Every day, yeah. I mean, even earlier this week, and you've probably heard about it already, but Bolt.new, we're just using it to build front ends and giving it to developers and moving it forward that way. There's some cool things.
I have an SEO background, but we're building these AI agents that will automatically just do a lot of the SEO tasks, like internal linking, finding content to update, and all that stuff. Just the thankless work. And we actually had a conversation with the... the guy that's leading that charge at Microsoft today on the AI agent side.
And yeah, there's some exciting stuff happening and we can't wait to see what happens in the next, I don't know, two, three years or so.
Nice. What does Bolt.new do? I haven't heard of that one.
So you've heard of Replit and Cursor. Cool. cursor. I might've. Okay. So cursor is like auto complete for developers. And so when they're coding, they just move a lot faster. Replit is like, it's a more complex version of bolt where you can just say, Hey, like yesterday I built something. I was like, Hey, help me build an app that allows me to upload audio files and video files.
And then also allow me to post in a YouTube link and And I want you to come up with five viral headlines and thumbnails for my YouTube, right? So come up with the best concepts for higher click-through rates. And it coded it all up. I was watching it code it. And then it showed me the front end for it. And it looked exactly like I'd want it to look.
And then I might say, hey, change this over here. Or like there might be some bugs and it'll just automatically fix the bugs. So you get like 60, 70% there. You're basically prompting an app and it pops out an app.
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Chapter 6: How do agency valuations work?
So I got to step up my AI game. I'm only using ChachiBT. Yeah. I feel like that's grade level, right?
ChachiBT is great though. I mean, it's like, it can be like a therapist. You can ask questions. Like I ask it to like rate my workouts and everything. It's great. And I like, I use this thing called my body tutor where I have to put in like my workouts and like my, my diet every day. So I take a picture of the food. It's like, Hey, tell me what this is and how many calories are in it.
And I just cut and paste and I throw it into my body tutor. And then my, my tutor would be like, Oh, this is great. This is whatever. Right. So yeah.
That's actually insane. So you could just take a picture of your food and it'll know how many calories.
Yep. Yep. And it estimates what it is. It's like 95% accurate with guessing what it is. And sometimes I just post like a blob of stuff and it still guesses it correctly.
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Chapter 7: What strategies can lead to financial success without a degree?
No way. Yeah. Wow. I need to look into that one. Did you see the AI chatbots? The Game of Thrones one? No. What's that? So there's one that can pretend to be the different characters. And there was one Daenerys Targaryen one, I guess. Oh, yeah. Some teenager fell in love with it. Oh, that's nuts. And then he committed suicide. I didn't know that one. How long ago was this?
Yesterday or two days ago. That's crazy. Yeah. That's setting precedent. So, I mean, I think there's going to be bad stuff that happens, but also that I think the good will outweigh the bad.
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launched a thing called computer use. And what that allows you to do is it's basically a human that can help you research like travel plans or Michelin restaurants or whatever. And you see it clicking around. It's basically a very nascent version of an AI agent that will actually act like a human and do work for you. Whoa. Yeah. That's cool.
And so like you now have free AI employees, like very basic versions of it.
Nice. I'll save business owners a lot of money. You think you'll get an Elon Musk robot? Definitely.
But I won't be the first wave. I think for that, you should probably be like the second wave. You don't want to be the earliest adopter, maybe just the second. Because who knows what all the issues are going to be. That's why I didn't get the first Tesla.
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Chapter 8: What insights can we gain from Eric's experience with acquisitions?
Yeah. People will reskill and people will figure it out. I think it'll be fine. Yeah. Are you implementing it heavily with your agencies? Yeah. So we are on one side. I mean, the thing I mentioned with SEO, we're just looking at all the jobs to be done for like paid media, SEO, all the work we do for clients. And then we're just figuring out how we can bring efficiencies or add more efficiencies.
And we're just building tools and some will give away for free to generate more leads. And then some will just, you know, we'll manage it for our clients and things like that. So I think for us, it's AI first. And like right now, our CTO, he's just building so many products right now. And I'm having more fun than I've had in a long time.
Nice. I love that. And you're at the stage of business where you're actually acquiring others now, right? Correct. So that's a whole new part of the business.
Yeah, I actually... So Single Grain, which is my agency, I bought it when I was 26 years old. And I brokered a deal that way. And then... Three years ago or so, we bought two other agencies and then right now we're in LOI with another one. So we're letter of intent trying to buy one in Asia right now. And what's the thought process behind acquiring these? Yeah.
So most people don't know that agencies are actually like, I come from tech, right? And I like, I used to poop on agencies because it's not scalable. Like, you know, it's such a people focused business, whatever. You can't sell it for much money, but most people don't know this. Yeah.
If you get an agency, let's say to $5 million in profit, you can actually sell it for maybe 10X on the profit or a 15X or 20X in some cases, right? I've actually seen some sell for 20X. So let's say simple numbers, 5 million in profit times 10 is $50 million, right? That's a good exit. That's not like a small exit. It could be $100 million or so, right?
And so what you might do is you can either sell it at that point or you might take your 5 million profit agency and then build a platform, right? And what that means is you're going to go out there and acquire other agencies and maybe buy 1 million in profit here, 1 million profit. People like to call it EBITDA, whatever, right?
And then maybe you get it to 20 million in EBITDA and maybe you can sell it for 20X on that or maybe like a higher multiple, right? But you're now selling it for like $400 or $500 million or so. So it's like an arbitrage game that you're playing. Interesting. Yeah. you know, you can play that game if you want, or you can, it doesn't cost you a lot of money to start up an agency.
Maybe you get it to 500 K a year in profit. That's a great business for you. Maybe a million a year in profit. That's great for you, right? There's nothing wrong with that. And so you can decide to play this game for 10, 20, 30 years or so, or you can play it just to cashflow and have a nice life. Um, but you know, there's not a lot of CapEx up front and, um,
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