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The $20M Church Mistake: Rethinking Business & Faith | Nicole Vallance DSH #972
Thu, 12 Dec 2024
Discover the shocking $20M church mistake and why one former church consultant is completely rethinking the relationship between business and faith! 🚀 Nicole shares her powerful journey from coaching churches to transforming businesses, revealing why 97% of American churches are missing the mark. Learn why traditional church models might be limiting impact and how business leaders are the true ministers in today's world. Get ready for mind-blowing statistics about Jesus's ministry in the marketplace and discover why your business might be more "spiritual" than you think. Nicole breaks down four major misbeliefs about church and business, sharing practical insights that will transform how you view faith in the workplace. Whether you're a business owner, entrepreneur, or someone curious about the intersection of faith and business, this episode will challenge everything you thought you knew about ministry and success. Nicole reveals how business leaders can make a bigger impact than 97% of churches and why that matters for your bottom line. Ready to revolutionize your approach to business and faith? Watch now for game-changing insights that could transform your perspective on purpose, profit, and impact. 🙌 #Business #Faith #Entrepreneurship #Leadership #ChurchGrowth #BusinessTransformation #Ministry #DigitalSocialHour #ministrystaffing #johnmaxwell #churchdisruptedpodcast #pastoralleadership #graceoverguilt CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:20 - Nicole's Transformation 03:30 - Misbelief 1: Church Operations Outside the Building 06:09 - Misbelief 2: Marketplace Christians and Financial Support 08:21 - Misbelief 3: Spirituality in Business vs. Ministry 09:52 - Politics and Faith 15:24 - Accepting God’s Presence 17:48 - Understanding Sin 18:00 - The Nature of Spiritual Business 20:15 - Nicole’s Current Projects 21:00 - Nicole’s Message to the World APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [email protected] GUEST: Nicole Vallance https://www.instagram.com/connectedwithnicole/ https://www.connectedwithnicole.com/ https://www.youtube.com/@ConnectedwithNicole LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Digital Social Hour works with participants in sponsored media and stays compliant with Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulations regarding sponsored media. #ad Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the shocking $20M church mistake?
If a pastor has a job and they do have a job, they're not the ones in ministry. Ministry is what I do outside of the four walls of the local church in business. And so the ministers are not the pastors that are speaking on Sunday.
Chapter 2: Why is Nicole Vallance transitioning from church coaching?
all right guys connected with nicole is here today going through a massive uh transformation in your business right now right yeah i am thanks for coming on yeah thanks for having me i'm excited to be here yeah because uh i know you used to coach pastors and churches and you're kind of transitioning away into bigger things now right yeah a couple years ago major major change and what caused that
You know, I have a lot of respect for, like, all the leadership guys, right? John Maxwell, Jim Collins, Patrick Lencioni. And I listened to a message from John Maxwell, and it was called Winning Our World for Christ. So I became a Christian when I was 19, and I listened to this message by John. You know, he was a church planter, pastor, just like I've been, you know, for 20 years.
Chapter 3: What are the major misbeliefs about church and business?
And he said he had this season in his life where he calls it the crossover, where instead of just being focused on building the local church, he crossed over into leadership and business. And I mean, who hasn't heard of John Maxwell, right? And so he did this message for pastors and leaders at a conference.
And he said, what are we going to do about the 53% of people that are never coming to our churches? Like if you're a Christian or you believe in the resurrection of Jesus, you know, if you if you, you know, believe all of that and you want to reach people, they're not coming to church.
And so John talks about like how the church is irrelevant if we're not, you know, connected with people that are different than us. If we're, you know, not out in the marketplace in business and government. Like, we're so disconnected. And he did that message. And I was like, you know what? Like, I'm going to switch over. Like, I'm going to cross over.
Like, I'm really going to go after the business owners and the leaders and serve them and help their organizations grow. But teach them how to reach people in their business for Christ.
Right. I love that. Thanks. You've been involved with the church for 20 years, right? So do you see the numbers dropping year by year?
Oh, yeah. I mean, the churches it is, okay, Sean, like 97% of churches in America are under 70 people.
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Chapter 4: How can business leaders make a bigger impact than churches?
Wow.
Yeah, under 70 people, 97% of churches in America. If you do the math, like so on average, the amount of people that come to Christ in a year, 0.5% come to Christ and have a relationship with God from church on Sunday. 95%, Sean, come through a coworker, through a friend. And so we think that the way to change people's lives is by getting them to come to church. But it's not. It never has been.
And it's still not today.
So what do you think the best way is then?
The best way, listen, it's hard to have compassion on who you're not connected to. And so I think the best way is business. I think that the greatest, greatest leaders, Sean, we think that there's this separation between the sacred and the secular. We think, oh, the sacred is the Billy Grahams and the Mother Teresa's and the Pope's and the pastor's. The secular is sacred.
It's the business owners. It's the entrepreneurs. I think the true heroes of America, at the very least, are the business owners, the entrepreneurs. They're the ones that are making capitalism possible. They're the ones that are employing people. They're the ones that are bringing products and services to market.
And so if business owners and leaders can really find out who they are and how important their work is... we really can't change the world, and it's not being done through the four walls of the local church.
It's just not. And that belief is probably different from most, right?
So, so different. So different, Sean.
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Chapter 5: What is the role of marketplace Christians?
This is what Second Corinthians says, that we have been reconciled to Christ as Christians and we've been given the ministry of reconciliation. And so what is ministry? Ministry is what I do outside of the four walls of the local church in business at my job. And so the ministers are not the pastors that are speaking on Sunday. That's not who the ministers are. The ministers are church.
The me, the you, the Moses Heredia's, the business leaders, the business owners that are 24 hours a day, seven days a week, like, you know, doing all the things outside of typical church on Sunday.
Everyday person. Yeah.
Everyday person. That's the minister. That's the leader. You know, we think if you think of a missionary, you think about somebody who's spiritual. We have images that come to our mind. It's like, but. Every single person is a missionary. Every single person can be on mission. Every single person can do ministry. And as a Christian, it's our responsibility.
I mean, if we really believe, Sean, if you think about this, if Christians actually believe, let's say it's true that Jesus rose from the dead. And I don't know, you know, exactly where you're at with your faith or where your listeners are at. But if that's true as a Christian, like if somebody has cancer and we have the cure.
Like, wouldn't you think our number one job would be like to give them the cure? Yeah. And so but a lot of Christians don't know that and they don't they haven't been told that. And I just think that that's so important. I think the people that have the greatest ability to impact people are the Christian business owners.
Absolutely. And that's a perfect segue into this next misbelief. Right. Because people involved in business cannot be as spiritual as those serving in traditional church ministry. That's that's a myth. Right.
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Chapter 6: How does Nicole define true ministry?
That's such a myth. Moses Saradia and I, we met last year and he recently brought me on as executive vice president of his company. And I love consulting business owners with all of my heart. And let me just tell you, Sean, he was just with Donald Trump two weeks ago. He you know, we have politicians at his office a couple of days ago. We have hundreds of employees.
You know, we're 10x in his company this year. We're with people of all different faiths, all different walks like like we do morning, you know, huddles where we do prayer. And we're like that is that is so spiritual. I don't know how that's not spiritual. We reach more people through.
his company and business owners have an opportunity to reach more people through their company than 97% of churches in America.
Absolutely.
That's spiritual to me.
Yeah, because within a church, you could reach a couple hundred people, maybe if you're a megachurch of a couple thousand.
If you're Sean Kelly, you can reach 10 million.
With social media, you could reach that on one video like three times a day. That's right. Yeah, the scale is way bigger, right?
Yeah, so if you don't view your podcast as spiritual, if you don't view your business as spiritual, if you view it as just secular or not important, like if Jesus was on the earth today, Sean, you know what he would have?
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Chapter 7: What is the importance of connection in faith?
I love that. That's super cool. Yeah. So speaking of Trump and just politics in general, where are you at with that whole, that whole debacle, I guess?
Yeah. You know,
uh here's here's my thoughts on politics um i don't know if you remember the olympics and the whole last supper thing that happened yeah the opening uh i'm sure you've heard from a number of your christian friends right it's like they were so offended the christian community they were pissed they were like how dare they make a mockery of jesus and and let me just tell you like sean i'm conservative right like i have traditional christian values i do okay uh
I do. However, I think it is so hypocritical and it pisses me all the way off. Okay. For us Christians to sit on our moral high ground and, and judge these people. Sean,
The Christians that are complaining about the people that were making a mockery of the Last Supper during the Olympics are the same people that if you ask them, who was the last person you led to Christ and when was the last time you tried it, they wouldn't have an answer.
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Chapter 8: What is the relationship between politics and faith?
I would say, who is an LGBTQ or transgender person in your life that you love, that loves you, that you know everything that's going on in your life, you're praying for them. If you think that what they're doing is such a sin, Like, like, OK, like we're all entitled to believe what we want to believe about what is moral, what is not moral.
But if you think that is so immoral, then why don't you go ahead and be the change that you want to see in the world? See the same people that are complaining about what happened at the Last Supper. I promise you are the same people that are not connected to people far from Christ. I think it is irresponsible and ungodly.
If anything is ungodly, it's ungodly to be a Christian and not have non-Christian friends. That's ungodly. It's ungodly to believe that somebody has cancer and you have the cure and not give them the cure. If we really believe that the world is lost and dying without Christ and we don't care and we're not connected to them and we're not sharing Christ with them, then shut all the way up.
I don't care. I'm so tired of it. So to all of the people that are complaining about how dark and sinful our world is, we'll do something about it. And, you know, it's like, I don't know why we're surprised at how broken and far people are from God when we're not doing anything about it to change them.
Yeah, you see all these people complaining on social media, but nothing happens.
Yeah, ask them, who do you know? Who do you know and love in your life that's far from Christ and how are you serving them? Because you know what Jesus was doing? He was turning water into wine. He was healing Peter's mother-in-law. He was feeding the poor. So like, I'm just tired of all of our, like we're on our holy high ground with all of our morals. And that's not what Jesus came to do.
He came to heal the sick. He came to be in people's lives. And I don't want to hear not one more person complain about how dark and broken and sinful and liberal our world is. And they're not connecting with them and helping them know Christ. It's wrong. Right.
Because a lot of people live in their own bubble, right? Certain religions, especially like not to call anyone out, but like certain Mormon churches, like you can't even be friends with them.
Yeah, it's wrong. Like, speaking from a Christian worldview, Jesus was friends with sinners, you know? And his team, Sean, was—they were millionaires. They were business owners. They were leaders. Like, you can't find— You can't find anybody that was on Jesus's team that was like just totally just religious. They were people that were far from God.
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