Digital Social Hour
Unmasking Child Support: A Tech Pro's Legal Battlefield | TJ Tillman DSH #1005
Mon, 23 Dec 2024
Unmasking Child Support: Watch this eye-opening interview with TJ Tillman as he reveals his unprecedented legal victory in a tech professional's battlefield against the child support system 🔍 In this explosive conversation, discover how one man uncovered systemic issues and fought a 2-year legal battle representing himself - with zero legal background. Learn shocking truths about the $713 million incentive system, fake judges, and how the child support enforcement program really operates. TJ shares his remarkable journey from being retroactively charged child support from age 12, to ultimately winning his case and exposing fraud in the system. Get insider knowledge about voluntary acknowledgment of paternity, legal rights you didn't know you had, and critical information every parent needs to understand. From fraudulent service attempts to Supreme Court cases that changed everything, this interview exposes the hidden mechanics of child support enforcement. Whether you're a parent, planning to become one, or just concerned about justice, this conversation will transform your understanding of the system. Watch now for game-changing insights about your rights, the truth behind child support enforcement, and lessons from a landmark legal victory that made history. Your understanding of the system will never be the same. 🔔 Subscribe for more revealing conversations with Sean Kelly! #custodyarrangements #paternityestablishment #familylaw #titleiv-d #childsupportreform #familylaw #livecourt #supremecourt #courtlive #trumplegalbattles CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:32 - Winning Child Support Case 04:00 - Understanding Child Support Hearings 05:46 - Child Support and Government Branches 07:02 - States' Incentives in Child Support Cases 09:08 - Title IV-D vs Non-IV-D Cases Explained 16:08 - Personal Experiences with Child Support 18:30 - Discovering Fraud in Child Support 21:20 - Michael’s 20-Year Legal Battle 28:17 - Case Dismissal for Extrinsic Fraud 29:59 - Writing a Book on Child Support Issues 32:05 - History of Child Support Explained 35:37 - Alternatives to Child Support 40:49 - Legal Consequences of Paternity Establishment 42:56 - Challenges from Single Mothers 46:24 - Connecting with TJ 46:57 - Outro APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [email protected] GUEST: TJ Tillman https://www.instagram.com/childsupportisfraud https://www.childsupportisfraud.com/ LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What shocking legal victory did TJ Tillman achieve?
2024 713 million dollars two states to find you guilty in their own state hearing so based on their performance the more child support they collect the more arrears the more paternity they establish based on their performance they get to tap into that 713 million and that's just for the fiscal year of 2024
All right, guys, TJ Tillman here. Very important story. I got a large male audience here, so thanks for coming on, man. Oh, man, thank you for having me. Absolutely. Yeah, the child support fraud case, I mean, that set the tone for a lot of people, I feel like.
Yeah, I mean. It doesn't discriminate no matter whether you're rich, poor, middle class. It does not discriminate. And we see it all the time on television. They you see celebrities getting hit, the biggest celebrities with the biggest attorneys. And for some reason, they just them attorneys just don't they don't know how to deal with child support.
I feel like you were the first one to win that case.
Chapter 2: How does the child support system incentivize states?
I mean, I am the only person, well, not the only now, but I was the first person that I know of who got their case dismissed for fraud. If there is someone who got their case dismissed for fraud, I would love to...
What year was that when you got that? That was 2018. Wow. Six years ago. It's been six years, yeah. Damn. Yeah, I don't know anyone that's, everyone I know that's dealt with this has reached a settlement or lost or, you know.
And it's designed like that, bro. Like, it is designed for us to, anyone going through that process is designed for you to lose because they are incentivized to win. Right.
And it's a very traumatizing experience for the male because with my dad, I was telling you off camera, it costs a lot of money to fight this. Yeah.
Chapter 3: What is the difference between Title IV-D and Non-IV-D cases?
So luckily for me, what I did was I filed for a fee waiver. And a lot of people don't even know that they have fee waivers. So if you're in a financial situation, you can apply for a fee waiver and your cost is is waived. Wow. So for me, I didn't have a problem with, I represented myself for two years, no legal background.
I'm on a fee waiver, so they're the ones spending all the money, so I have nothing but time. So it worked out for me. I love it. So you had to learn all the lingo in two years? Yeah. I mean, I did some studying and researching beforehand, but I did a lot of on-the-job training. A lot of the things that I learned, I learned it on the job. Wow.
And based on their responses is how I learned more, because as they responded to my filings, I went and researched that and I came back with new evidence. And at that point, it just got to a point to where they were boxed in and they couldn't. It was nowhere more room for them to go.
Dang. So you were filing stuff yourself?
Yeah, I filed everything for myself. Holy crap. I researched it, typed it up. Filed everything myself. No legal background. Wow. It was just common sense. Like what I did was I kept it real simple. Once I read their policy and I knew what they had to do, I just kept it real simple. You know, back in the day when you asked, do you want to go with me? Yes or no.
Mm hmm.
Did you follow your own policy? Yes or no. Here's your policy. Did you follow it? Yes or no. If you did, okay, then now I'm going to challenge to make sure that you did it. If you didn't, your policy says this is what's supposed to happen in regards to remedy. And man, these people are so criminal.
Like I proved that they didn't do nothing right for over two years, yet we're still arguing points and they didn't lay down. until the fake judge actually forced them to close the case. You said fake judge? Yeah, it was a fake judge. Was it during COVID? No, it was because in child support hearings, a lot of people don't know this. Child support hearings are not judicial.
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Chapter 4: What are the hidden mechanics of child support enforcement?
They're an administrative process. So your child support hearing is with... an attorney acting as a temporary judge. What? Yes. So they are trained to hear and decide, well, not to decide, to recommend A decision to the actual judge and you have to stipulate to that. So if you don't stipulate, which I didn't agree to my case being heard by a fake judge, but they forced me to do it anyway.
But ironically, when the case got dismissed right before it was getting dismissed, child support attorney said, well, hey, hey, hey, wait, hold up, judge, before you make that decision. Remember he said he didn't want his case heard by a fake judge? Let's get him to a real judge. Oh, so now you want me to. These are the games that they played.
Chapter 5: How did TJ Tillman expose fraud in child support hearings?
Wow.
They played these games until the last inning.
See, I would have had no idea if I was fighting this case that it was a fake judge.
Yeah. So there's are instances where you are before an actual real judge. And this is like you said, your dad went through a divorce. Right. So in a divorce, a divorce is a judicial process. So that's before an actual judge. The problem is when they're adding on this administrative process onto this judicial process. That that violates the separation of powers. What is the separation of powers?
This is something that they taught us in school. There are three branches of government, judicial, legislative and executive branch. If you partake in one branch of government, you cannot participate in the other branch. But how are you mixing judicial with administrative? That's a part of the executive branch. So this is.
That in itself alone makes child support a fraud because they're operating in all three branches of government.
Wow.
They're creating their own codes. That's legislative because they have their own family codes. They're enforcing their own codes. That's administrative. That's executive branch. And they're finding you guilty in their own state hearings, which is the judicial process. And there's a... I believe it's Minnesota.
There's a Minnesota Supreme Court case law where child support was, literally it said that it violated the separation of powers.
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Chapter 6: What legal rights do parents have regarding child support?
There's two types of child support cases. There's Title IV-D and then there's non-IV-D. What is Title IV-D? Title IV-D is it is government assistance where there's the cash aid, the Medicaid, and the food stamps. So if a mother or father goes and get the cash aid, then they're automatically waiving your rights for their benefits. I'm going to say that again.
They're receiving benefits, but they're waiving your rights because now they're coming after you to repay back money that was given as a grant. Because this started in 1935. And 1935 was the... The Social Security Act, where they started the program where they created the government assistance. But then in 1975, they did an amendment which came out to be child support.
Chapter 7: What are the implications of paternity establishment?
I like to call it child support. You got to put some extras on it because child support is the marketing strategy for Title IV-D. But Title IV-D isn't sexy. If I said, yo, Sean, you paid your Title IV-D? And it's like, what is Title IV-D? But when I say, did you pay your child support? It's like it taps into those emotions. It's like, oh, you're not taking care of your kids.
That's why you have this negative stigma on child support when actually it should be called state support because that's what it's actually for. And this is not my opinion. This is child support's own opinion in the Supreme Court case law, Blessing v. Freestone. So in Blessing v. Freestone, five women from Arizona, they sued child support because they were getting the Title IV-D.
They were receiving the cash aid. And they gave up the fathers, and now child support was taking all of the money. So when the women are getting their child support checks, they're looking at them, and they're sure. They're like, hey, why are you keeping all of the money? And child support said, hey, that's not your money. So they actually sued child support. And they said, that's not your money.
Then it came out and they had to tell on themselves. They said that child support was never intended to benefit the child nor the custodial parent. It was intended to benefit the state. Wow. They literally said that. It literally says that. It's a Supreme Court case law called Blessing v. Freestone. It is the backbone case law, anything dealing with child support.
Chapter 8: How can individuals challenge wrongful child support claims?
So what was the conclusion of that? That's the conclusion, that those women, there was no entitlement to child support. You have no right to child support. That was the conclusion. So those five women from Arizona, they lost. They lost. So in that, child support had to tell on themselves and say that, hey, Child support was never intended to benefit the child. It was intended to benefit the state.
That's crazy. So it should be called state support.
Dude, that's nuts. There's a couple other cases you've studied. Burnham v. Superior Court.
Oh, yeah, that one, that involves the fake judge because in Burnham v. Superior Court, they said that these cases, your case has to be, so in my case, My case was signed, once I went through the discovery and I looked at it, it said Judge Pro Tem. So I'm like, Judge Pro Tem? So then I started looking, doing more research. I'm like, what is a Judge Pro Tem?
And that's how I found out Judge Pro Tem is a
attorney acting as a temporary judge so in different regions they call them different things there's like on the west coast they're called commissioners down south it's attorney generals or the department of revenue up north they have the friend of the courts on the east coast it's the magistrates but they're all attorneys acting as temporary judges you're in that case it said that
In order to enforce a money judgment, it has to be signed by an actual judge. So in a lot of these cases, it's being signed by attorneys acting as temporary judges. They're not judicial officers. So it lacks a judicial signature. So therefore, it's not enforceable. But how do they get away with it? Because there's something called prima facie. And I always talk about this.
In America, I'm sure you've heard the term innocent until proven guilty. Yep. That's supposed to be the backbone of our judicial system. But in these administrative hearings, because child support is not judicial, they operate under prima facie. Prima facie says the courts take whatever is filed as true and correct until you provide evidence to say that it's not.
So if you don't provide any evidence to challenge what they filed. they're taking it as true and correct. So this is how myself and a lot of others are getting caught up in these hearings because Until you file something to challenge it, they're going to take it as what it is because in these hearings, they work under presumption. They presume that if you don't respond, we presume that you agree.
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