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Why Empathy Can Become Dangerous: Dr. Gad Saad Explains | DSH #1638

23 Nov 2025

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Chapter 1: What is the concept of 'Suicidal Empathy'?

0.115 - 16.717 Dr. Gad Saad

All good things in moderation. It has to happen to the right people in the right situation and the right amount. Suicidal empathy is the dysregulated application of an otherwise noble virtue like empathy. What makes us human is that we transcend our biology. Biology matters for your dog.

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Chapter 2: Why did Dr. Gad Saad feel compelled to write his new book?

16.777 - 39.218 Dr. Gad Saad

Biology matters for the giraffe. It matters for the mosquito. But surely it can't apply to human beings. Life is about navigating through statistical minefields. And so statistically speaking, this is what is most likely to increase your chances of having a successful marriage. It's better to live five minutes tall and proud than to live 500 years on your knees as a me coward.

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44.294 - 61.476 Sean Kelly

Okay, guys, special guest for you all today, Dr. Gad Saad, scholar at the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom at the University of Mississippi. Also author of many books, including Parasitic Mind and his forthcoming book, Suicidal Empathy. Thanks for your time today, doctor. Great to be with you.

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Chapter 3: How does evolutionary psychology explain human behavior?

61.496 - 64.32 Sean Kelly

Thank you. Did the book come out yet, the new release?

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65.321 - 79.487 Dr. Gad Saad

No, it hasn't come out yet. We're aiming, hopefully, with the publisher for a release in April. Only a single person has read it so far. And the response was this book as promised is terrific.

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79.627 - 85.607 Sean Kelly

So I'm feeling good. What was the inspiration for making this book? What compelled you to write it? So, uh,

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86.937 - 111.019 Dr. Gad Saad

Let me step back a bit and sort of give people a 30,000 feet overview. I've been a professor now for 32 years, and my main area of scientific research is to apply evolutionary psychology and evolutionary biology to study human behavior. And I do so within the business school. So I studied consumer psychology, economic psychology, and so on.

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Chapter 4: In what ways does ideology hijack rational thinking?

111.039 - 134.192 Dr. Gad Saad

And I was amazed very early in my career to see how people could be completely resistant to what seems to me completely obvious and banal truths. which is that human beings are shaped by biological forces. For most of my social science colleagues, what makes us human is that we transcend our biology. Biology matters for your dog. Biology matters for the giraffe. It matters for the mosquito.

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134.512 - 157.041 Dr. Gad Saad

But surely it can't apply to human beings. And so that was my original idea of saying, you know what, even very intelligent people that have professor before their name could be complete morons. And so that led me to write The Parasitic Mind, which came out this book right here, the yellow one, It came out about five and a half years ago now. It was in 2020 it came out.

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157.061 - 179.036 Dr. Gad Saad

That book looks at what happens to your brain when it is hijacked by ideological capture. The next book, Suicidal Empathy, looks at what happens to your emotional system when it is hijacked. So if I can hijack and parasitize... both your thinking ability and your emotional ability, then I have you completely zombified.

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Chapter 5: What role do universities play in spreading 'parasitic ideas'?

179.096 - 180.82 Dr. Gad Saad

And so that's the full story.

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180.84 - 184.849 Sean Kelly

Interesting. And do you feel like a lot of people right now have their emotional system hijacked?

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185.673 - 204.019 Dr. Gad Saad

Yes, and most of them, regrettably, come from largely one side of the political aisle. And that's not because I'm trying to make a political statement. That's just the sheer reality. Most of the, well, all of the parasitic ideas that I talk about in The Parasitic Mind, postmodernism,

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204.64 - 230.398 Dr. Gad Saad

cultural relativism, radical feminism, identity politics, they all were spawned on university campuses by leftist professors because the academia is overwhelmingly dominated by leftist professors. Then these dreadful ideas eventually seep their way into culture, into Hollywood, into journalism, into you know, everything into business, into politics.

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230.86 - 253.062 Dr. Gad Saad

And so what ended up happening is in the pursuit of these parasitic ideas, people's empathy began to misfire, right? So it's not nice to you know, give a felon who's only been convicted 83 previous times not to give them another chance. By other chance, it means the 84th time.

253.502 - 264.516 Dr. Gad Saad

It's really not nice and it's mean to stop homeless people who are defecating, fornicating and shooting up acid where your children play.

Chapter 6: How is empathy misapplied in modern society?

264.496 - 289.39 Dr. Gad Saad

to round them up and move them elsewhere that lacks empathy it lacks empathy when you don't allow every single person from around the world to just come through the borders and if we are truly empathetic then we should be giving them free health care and who cares about american vets who've lost their limbs if not their lives in defending the west and so what happens with suicidal empathy

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289.37 - 315.743 Dr. Gad Saad

is that it takes a noble virtue. It's perfectly fine to be an empathetic person, right? This is not an attack on empathy, but it's, as we know from Aristotle 2000 years ago, all good things in moderation. It has to happen to the right people in the right situation and the right amounts. Suicidal empathy is the dysregulated application of an otherwise noble virtue like empathy.

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315.763 - 322.937 Sean Kelly

That makes sense. Do you see the pendulum swinging when it comes to college campuses? Do you see it ever going more center or more towards the right?

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323.498 - 340.187 Dr. Gad Saad

I mean, from your lips to God's ear, I mean, I'd like to think there is some auto correction taking place. So, for example, when Donald Trump came to power. By the way, just for your listeners who may not know who I am, I'm Canadian. So it's not as though I voted in the American election.

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340.247 - 364.762 Dr. Gad Saad

So if I say something that is positive of Donald Trump, it's not because I have posters of Donald Trump in my bedroom. I don't have a dog in this fight other than the pursuit of reason, logic, and common sense. So When Donald Trump came along with just one stroke of an executive order, he can immediately reverse all of the insanity regarding Title IX.

364.842 - 372.162 Dr. Gad Saad

You know, when six-foot-three women with nine-inch penises, yesterday they were called Bubba.

Chapter 7: What factors contribute to happiness and meaning in life?

372.142 - 392.476 Dr. Gad Saad

but today they're called Linda, and therefore when they transition to becoming Linda, they absolutely, the science is settled, have become a girl, and therefore we have to be empathetic to the trans community and allow them to destroy the dreams of every biological female athlete in the world. Well, he came along and said, okay, no more of this nonsense.

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392.937 - 412.018 Dr. Gad Saad

So that's nice, that's good, because there is a return to some form of normalcy, But the parasitic ideas and the suicidal empathy that originally began festering on university campuses took 50 to 100 years to take a real foothold within the culture.

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412.378 - 427.292 Dr. Gad Saad

So it's not because Donald Trump comes along or because there is some sort of autocorrection in the university campuses that suddenly we're going to eradicate these bad ideas. It'll take many generations of assiduous fighting, but God willing, we'll get rid of this stuff.

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427.88 - 439.926 Sean Kelly

Yeah, I wonder if they'll ever all be fully eradicated because there will always be bad ideas, parasitic ideas, and social media is amplifying these. So at what point does it become accountability, right? Indeed.

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440.086 - 464.523 Dr. Gad Saad

But, I mean, one of the reasons why I love to do shows like I'm doing today with you is because – you typically have a lot more of the left that, you know, are the loud, boisterous folks. And certainly if they're professors, right? Most professors would never be caught dead saying something positive about Republicans because Republicans are indistinguishable from Hitler.

464.643 - 487.92 Dr. Gad Saad

Literally, they're Hitler, right? And so I'd like to think that what I contribute, I mean, I'd like to think I contribute many things to the public discourse, but one of the things that I do is that it emboldens people who might be saying, but all of my professors are leftist folks. Well, not everybody. There are good ideas on the left. There are good ideas on the right.

488.06 - 492.908 Dr. Gad Saad

If you're a student, you would certainly be enriched in hearing from the full panoply of ideas.

Chapter 8: How does mating psychology influence partner selection?

492.948 - 498.336 Dr. Gad Saad

And so that's my way of coming on social media and hopefully correcting some of the lopsidedness.

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498.603 - 503.648 Sean Kelly

Yeah, I feel like being from Canada actually gives you an advantage because you could be pretty objective, right?

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504.149 - 530.178 Dr. Gad Saad

Right. Although I sometimes look at you with great envy because in the US, at least, you have several mechanisms that allow you to have an easier auto correction. In Canada, when Justin Trudeau first came to power, I mean, I had been warning about Justin Trudeau for years and nobody would listen to me. Then he came along and He was a disaster. And then Canadians said, here's a great idea.

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530.238 - 550.716 Dr. Gad Saad

Why don't we reelect him again the second time? He was a disaster. Then they said, well, here's a great idea. Why don't we elect him a third time? He was a disaster. So then they said, well, why don't we elect another guy who doesn't look quite as sexy as Justin Trudeau, but is just as nefarious in his progressive parasitic stuff called Mark Carney, and hopefully things will work out.

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550.977 - 558.744 Dr. Gad Saad

Whereas in the United States, just because of the way the system is set up, you can implement auto corrections much more quickly, as you see with Trump.

558.764 - 569.036 Sean Kelly

Right. We got the midterms coming up, right? Indeed, you do. How do you feel about him? It looks like the right's going to lose, to be honest. And I'm slightly to the right. I'd label myself, but it's not looking good, right?

569.617 - 584.356 Dr. Gad Saad

Yeah. Well, I mean, you often have this sort of incumbent, you know, there's a blowback against the incumbent party, especially when they now control everything. What do you think? I mean, it's not, it shouldn't be me who's interviewing you, but I'd like to know.

584.878 - 594.22 Sean Kelly

Oh God. Yeah. I just did podcasts in New York and I was getting people's opinion on him out there, but it looks like he's going to win. So we'll see what happens.

594.2 - 618.739 Dr. Gad Saad

Yeah, it's a great idea when New York City has been the center of capitalism, the center of, one can argue, liberty, the center of Jewish life outside of Israel, to then elect an Islamist, avowed communist 24 years after 9-11, probably nothing could go wrong. Good luck. You had a good run.

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