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How do Will and Dan introduce the episode and set their recording goals?

Unknown 0:02

The judicial power of the United States shall be vested in one Supreme Court. Unless there is any more question, we have a divided argument in this case. All persons having business before the Honorable Supreme Court of the United States are advised to give their attention.

Will Baude 0:20

Welcome to Divided Argument, an unscheduled, unpredictable Supreme Court podcast. I'm Will Bode.

Dan Epps 0:26

And I'm Dan Epps. So we are continuing our role. You know, we were interrupted a little bit by my vacation, but I think we have managed to keep giving people content. So I hope we don't get any complaints about that, about our output. I feel like we're doing good. I feel like we're starting to get a little scheduled. Yeah, I think that's okay. I mean, I think as long as we don't remain perfectly predictable, I think it's okay. It's okay.

0:59

Yeah.

Dan Epps 1:00

I don't know. I'm feeling good. I think we're, we're, we've got a good groove. I, I want to, I want to set the record this season and I want to break the record next season.

Unknown 1:08

Okay.

Will Baude 1:09

How about that? Well, we can't set the record too high this season or we won't be able to break it next season.

Dan Epps 1:14

Well, I think we're going to set it, break it by an episode or two, you know, depending. We'll see. Yeah. Yeah. But I think it's good. I think that in trying to be a little bit more focused, we're going to talk about one case today. Yep. I think that's going to, it's a little, little bit easier. Two cases. Two cases? Well, two conjoined cases. Right. We're talking about one opinion today. Yes. Okay. Let's see. Luckily, not a ton of news. These summer episodes are a little bit easier to do because we don't get overloaded by, you know, 18 different interim docket things. I feel like this was not true last summer. My memory is. Yeah, there was a lot more going on last summer. I don't know. Why are things quieter this year?

Dan Epps 1:55

Because the Supreme Court has gotten a grip, I think. That they've kind of sent the right signals and people know where the equilibrium is?

Will Baude 2:04

Yeah, closer. At least, right, they've got a better sense of what they're willing to say no to. The administration has learned what they're going to say no to, or at least substantially what they're going to say no to, and that's probably affected everybody's behavior. Maybe the lower courts too, I don't know. I'll leave some of that going on. I think there is, our show prep assistant tells me that there is a new Trump SG filing maybe earlier this week about mail-in voting.

Unknown 2:33

Mm-hmm.

Dan Epps 2:33

So responses are due Monday, August 3rd. Yeah. Hopefully this episode will be out by then. Yeah.

Will Baude 2:42

And I think we were promised that there was going to be a petition for a hearing in the birthright citizenship case, which according to the docket, as last I checked, has not materialized.

Dan Epps 2:52

Yeah. I got a call from a reporter about that more than a week ago, I think. Yeah. That would be due pretty soon, right?

Will Baude 3:01

Yeah, maybe already. Yeah. Counting the days, like counting filing days, because then, like, it was always one of my least favorite things in litigation.

Dan Epps 3:12

Well, it's gotten a lot simpler, right? It used to be that you, like, would exclude the weekends, but now it's just, you literally just count the days. Is that right? Yeah.

Will Baude 3:21

You have to file on a Sunday?

3:22

Yeah.

Dan Epps 3:23

No, no, no. I mean, you can file the next day, but I just mean to figure out how many days something has been. You don't do a complicated calculation. If the timeline says 10 days, you just go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Okay. And then see where it lands. Okay. And you have to avoid the classic fence post problem. This is one of the classic math mistakes people make a lot. What's a fence post? Fence post problem is where you... you don't account for like you count incorrectly based on um the end point and the beginning point and you can go in different ways but sometimes people are like oh this was two months ago and it's like july june that's two months and it's like no this was 30 days ago so you don't you're double counting by counting the two months uh or you know the in the classic example is you know the fence is going to be like

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5 chapters

1 How do Will and Dan introduce the episode and set their recording goals? 0:02–4:28 2 What interim docket items and prediction wins do the hosts discuss? 4:28–32:05 3 What is Jouppi v. Alaska and why did the Court grant cert in the forfeiture case? 32:05–55:23 4 What consolidated cases (West Virginia v. B.P.J. / Little v. Hecox) does the episode analyze? 55:23–1:03:41 5 Why does the majority opinion avoid pronouns and first names when describing plaintiffs? 1:03:41–1:03:56

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Will Baude 33 min Dan Epps 24 min

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United States 2 Supreme Court 3 Idaho 1 Larry Summers 1 Sonia Sotomayor 1 Lord of the Rings 1 Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals 1 Magic the Gathering 1 Justice Alito 1 Justice Thomas 1 Justice Gorsuch 2 Magneto 1

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We're back — maybe getting a little too scheduled — with one opinion on the docket: West Virginia v. B.P.J. and Little v. Hecox, where the Court held that states may limit girls' and women's sports teams to biological sex without violation Equal Protection or Title IX. First, though, Will collects on a two-year-old prediction when the Court grants Jouppi v. Alaska, an Institute for Justice case about a five-figure airplane forfeited over a six-pack of beer. On the main event, we work through how the opinions are written (no pronouns, no "Lindsay"), what the litigants' Title IX concession did to the case, and whether there is any such thing as an as-applied equal protection challenge. Will makes a big-swing prediction about transgender status and heightened scrutiny, and we ask whether the Court's reasoning can be squared with VMI and the anti-stereotyping cases. Along the way: fencepost problems, Magneto's powers, Magic: The Gathering's crossover-IP wars, scrawny men, and Justice Kavanaugh's ode to the championship trophy.Highlights[00:00:21] Opening: continuing the roll, "starting to get a little scheduled," and record-setting season ambitions[00:02:05] Summer interim-docket check-in: a new SG filing on mail-in voting; still no rehearing petition in the birthright-citizenship case[00:03:23] Filing-day counting and the classic fencepost problem[00:04:50] Will doesn't condone violence, Dan; UFC, violent video games, and Dungeons & Dragons[00:07:46] The prediction workflow pays off: Will called the IJ excessive-fines cert push back in May 2024 (Culley)[00:08:05] Cert granted in Jouppi v. Alaska: a 5-figure aircraft forfeited over a 6-pack of beer[00:09:58] Scorecard methodology: easy predictions, Magneto clauses, and a slugging-percentage proposal[00:12:51] Dan's good news: Constitutional Rights in General Private Law, accepted at Harvard Law Review[00:13:32] The main event: West Virginia v. B.P.J. and Little v. Hecox — states can keep transgender athletes off girls' and women's teams[00:15:25] How the opinions are written: no pronouns, and the majority never says "Lindsay"[00:18:44] The Thomas concurrence: suspect class, "biological men and boys who identify as girls," and the Josef Pieper abuse-of-language quote[00:21:49] Title IX: the statutory text, the litigants' concession, and what the dissents are trying to preserve[00:29:39] The Equal Protection Clause: Skrmetti, two kinds of anti-trans laws, and Will's big-swing prediction on heightened scrutiny[00:35:29] VMI's inherent differences, bathrooms, and the anti-stereotyping mainstays (Craig v. Boren)[00:43:33] Is there such a thing as an as-applied equal protection challenge? Footnotes 7 and 9, scrawny men, and Nguyen[00:52:35] The Ninth Circuit's dropped thread: Idaho's invasive verification testing and the cis-woman plaintiff[00:54:41] Justice Kavanaugh, the sports justice: the championship-trophy passage and Flood v. Kuhn lore[00:56:52] The flip side: does Title IX sometimes require excluding transgender athletes? Dueling predictions[01:00:30] Why this isn't Bostock: Gorsuch, formalism, and a contested Indian-law analogy[01:02:49] Sign-off — and a preemptive accusation that Will will game the scorecard by refusing to recordRelevant linksCasesWest Virginia v. B.P.J. / Little v. Hecox — slip opinionJouppi v. Alaska — Institute for Justice case pageCulley v. MarshallUnited States v. SkrmettiUnited States v. Virginia (VMI)Nguyen v. INSFlood v. KuhnCommentary & articlesD'Onfro & Epps, "The Fourth Amendment and General Law" — the Yale Law Journal predecessor to the new Harvard Law Review piece announced on the showOtherDivided Argument, "Originalism Hulk" — the back-catalogue episode whose new custom cover art comes up in the Marvel tangent

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