Thylacines, blocked noses and bird flu
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Hello, welcome to another episode of Science with Dr. Carl in your podcast feed.
What is NAIDOC Week and why is Corey Tutt featured on the show?
And this week, it is NAIDOC week. The theme this year is 50 years of deadly, and it's all about honoring the elders, activists, and communities who have carried the NAIDOC movement forward. And someone who has done that is Corey Tutt. He's a friend of the show. We've had him on before. He's someone who looks at science through a First Nations lens and is all about encouraging the next generation of scientists through his deadly science program. We're going to talk about all of that and more in this week's episode. So let's get into it. Right now, we are getting into the world of science, as we always do with Dr. Carl. Dr. Carl, how are you doing?
Ever so peachy keen. Hey, guess what? It's NAIDOC week.
It's NAIDOC week. Celebrating all things First Nations excellence. And we've got our mate, friend of the show, Corey Tutt with us. Corey Tutt of Deadly Science fame. Corey, welcome back.
Yama and happy Black Christmas, everyone.
It's Black Christmas.
It's Black Christmas.
That's it. Thank you so much for being with us. We always love having you on. You have done a lot since our last visit. In my hot little hand, I have your new book, Before It Was Called Science, Discover 65,000 Plus Years of First Nations Knowledge. Tell us about this book, Corey.
So as you do in your 30s, you either get into smoking meat or World War II rhetoric. I got into Back to the Future. And I was thinking about, like, what was the world before the Atreides? What was the world before the Bunnings? What was the world before the Influencers? And I started writing about – this was like a follow-up to First Scientist, but how we see knowledge is really important. So you can imagine a young person in a classroom. They see Albert Einstein in a lab coat. They see Thomas Edison. And that is actually a really – They're great scientists of their time but that's actually an inhibitor to young people following their passion and purpose. So what I wanted to do is I wanted to create like a back to the future style book that looked at the past that blended into present tense so that young people could see how our mob made clothes based on, you know, environment and necessity and also wanted to like play on the, you know, when you go to a department store,
there is nothing you can't buy in that store. In that store, what they sell is there's nothing that won't last more than 10 years. But for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, we built tools that were built to be handed down and to last. So it's a real sustainability piece.
Yeah, absolutely. And this is, you know, set up in a way where it's before and after or before and now. And, yeah, you speak to different things, like before there were shops, you talk about food carriers, water carriers, before there were tradies, how homes were built, canoes, hardware stores. Like you said, before we had Bunnings, you had axes, stone knives, spears. I really want to say to people today, there is so much that you can speak to on this week's episode. What was it like for you also exploring... The now and the, you know, young scientists coming through with new research, new discoveries.
I think, you know, there's a lot of negative in the world right now. But when I think of our young people, I actually get a lot of hope. Because our young people are incredibly intelligent, incredibly gifted. They need opportunity and resource and they also need to be heard. And our job is, you know, older people now is to make sure that we use today to make tomorrow's better. And for me, you know, I can get on social media and I can get really down by, you know, politics or what's happening in the world at the moment. But when I see a young person in a classroom, you know, this is your history too. When we talk about Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander science, this is your history too. We come from the country's first people invented bread.
We're the oldest man-made structures on earth.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–0:06
2
What is NAIDOC Week and why is Corey Tutt featured on the show?
0:06–4:14
3
What inspired Corey Tutt’s new book Before It Was Called Science?
4:14–9:48
4
How does First Nations knowledge connect to sustainability and tool-making?
9:48–22:25
5
If thylacines hadn’t been wiped out, how would Tasmanian ecosystems differ?
22:25–31:10
6
Why can some people voluntarily block their nose and how common is it?
31:10–36:49