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Is Super Rugby Dying? Bernard Jackman’s Honest Take from Ireland
13 May 2026
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Chapter 1: What insights does Bernard Jackman provide about the current state of Super Rugby?
If you guys are allowing Jordy Barrett and Rico Ioanni to come to us, and I'd like to hope that those guys will go back, not better players because they're already brilliant players, but maybe just understanding or have a different point of view that can add to the whole mix. when you get together as an All Black.
Our players can't even play for the Australian teams in Super Rugby. That's how restrictive it is, which is just so stupid, it seems, doesn't it?
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Put out a little newsletter for you and do a bit of debating and opinionating, remonstrating about different sporting topics, myself and Jamie, and it's only you that gets that content. Bernard Jackman. I'm just going to go through this, mate, because this is well-deserved. Bernard's one of Ireland's most respected rugby analysts.
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Chapter 2: How has Andy Farrell impacted the Irish rugby team's performance?
He captained Leinster, and obviously we're going to have a big conversation about Leinster and about Ricoh. Following retirement from playing, you transitioned into coaching. You held senior roles with Grenoble in France, amongst others. You've been in high-performance rugby environments, working in player development.
And for everyone who is in New Zealand connected to a club, Bernard has also established a brand new business with a whole lot of youngsters, young kids, young men up in Ireland who want to come over and play club rugby here. And so we're going to give you all the details about that at the end of this podcast. We've had a hell of a start to the week, my friend. Welcome aboard.
We spent time with Dave Rennie yesterday. Whenever you get a private audience with the national coach, it's always great. I was around Andy Farrell a bit at the last World Cup, and he's an intimidating kind of dude, but he also looks as though he'd be great to sit down with and talk rugby with, and I'm sure you've done that yourself at various times.
Yeah, I've been so lucky. Andy Farrell lives around the corner from me here in Sandymont, Dublin. He drinks at my local, has a few pints, and yeah, he's an Englishman with an Irish name. assimilated into Dublin Irish life.
Chapter 3: What are the challenges faced by the All Blacks in the upcoming series against Ireland?
He's absolutely loved in Ireland, the job he's done. He came in in 2016 and worryingly his contract hasn't been announced for post-World Cup. So that's a bit of a worry because certainly speaking to players who play with him, players who played under him, their love of him, it's actually love, is incredible. I've never come across a coach who can capture the heart and mind of players like he has.
He's been a big part of our success. We thought the team was over the hill, but we turned it around to Six Nations and we finished quite strong. So hopefully now onwards towards the next World Cup.
Well, let's just go back to that for a start, because it was an absolutely thrilling tournament. And that final game, outrageous. But, you know, so many turning points during the tournament. And one of them was Ireland going to Twickenham and belting England like that. And, you know, especially after the first couple of weeks, what a turnaround that was. And so...
to drag that team, to drag your team back to that, especially mentally, I just thought was extraordinary.
Chapter 4: How is Rieko Ioane's positional shift affecting his performance at Leinster?
And that is obviously a lot from the coach.
Yeah, 100%. And I know that he pushed a lot of buttons that week. I mean, we had a lot of players on the British and Irish Lions tour. We had a slow November. We were well beaten by the All Blacks in Chicago, well beaten by South Africa, bullied by South Africa actually in our last game. Provincial Teams weren't playing that well. And then we started off badly against France.
We weren't amazing against Italy. And everybody expected England to steamroll us. England looked like they were flying. I know they ended up having a poor end of Six Nations, but they started off very well against Wales. And that performance... If Ireland hadn't have performed that day, I think there was a lot of question marks around this group.
But he got the reaction, and it was probably our best-ever performance away in Twickenham.
Chapter 5: What factors contribute to the decline of Super Rugby's popularity in the Northern Hemisphere?
Hammered them. And then, obviously, finished... finished well against Wales and beat Scotland on the last day to win a triple crown so all is well again in Irish rugby and as pundits who were writing them off we've had to I suppose eat our words a little bit and yeah I always prefer to be following a good Irish team than a team on a climb
Well, I mean, a lot of us hope that we get the same reaction with Dave Rennie, new All Black coach, and the way that the All Blacks performed this year as well. Because, I mean, over the last couple of years, if we're honest, we've been pretty average in terms of what we expect from the All Blacks.
And so, you know, a brand new coach can inject that same kind of enthusiasm and just gives you a different mindset, gives you sort of a different impetus as well. And so it's really exciting sitting down with him yesterday and listening to just his thoughts and philosophies of how he wants to play, the people that he's got around him.
I mean, you probably heard Graham Henry's on board as a selector. And so that doesn't mean anything when it comes to putting 15 players on the grass, because they've still got to perform. And that's my long-winded way of saying that those players did go to Twickenham and did actually perform.
And so whatever else is on the periphery, they still have to do it on the park, and our guys still have to do the same.
Yeah, they do, but I can't speak highly enough of Dave Rennie. I know a few people who worked with him in the Chiefs. Dave Dillon, who's now back in Japan, being one of them.
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Chapter 6: How does the URC compare to the Top 14 in terms of competitiveness?
When he coached in Glasgow, I was at the Dragons, got to know him, and I know some people who worked with him there. I know some of the Australian players who were good when he... when he left Australia. So it's great to see him get a chance to coach the All Blacks. And I think, look, if the All Blacks aren't successful, it won't be down to a lack of effort or expertise from Dave Rennie.
If I was an All Blacks fan, I'd be excited to see, hopefully, an upturn in the performances.
One of the things I want to talk to you about is obviously the Irish test that has come into Eden Park. Our unbeaten record goes on the line again. But let's cut straight to the chase. As much as I can, I watch the English premiership. I watch the highlights of the Champions Cup and so forth, the URC, as much as we possibly can. Champions Cup semifinals coming in a couple of weeks.
It's really crunch time now for the premierships and the top four and things. But in terms of Leinster, your specialty subject, and the subject we want to start this conversation about, and obviously one player, Rico Ioane, the All Blacks centre.
Chapter 7: What are the implications of player eligibility rules for Irish rugby?
Well, he wasn't at the end of last year. So just in terms of how he's playing, how Leinster are going, this final against Bordeaux, because the team's got close and close and close and hasn't managed to shut the door on this. So give us all of that, your overview on all of that.
So Rico had a very tough position because he replaced Geordie Barrett and I can't emphasize enough how good Jordi Barth was last year. It was incredible. And it was a big shock that he didn't start the semifinal against Northampton. And Leo Cullen, the coach who made that selection, he wanted Jordi Barth to finish the game. But the game got out of control a little bit in the first half.
And that looked like a big mistake. He's one of the best foreign players. Look, Leinster have been so lucky. We've had Easton Asiwa. We've had Brad Torn. You know, we had...
Chapter 8: What future opportunities does Bernard Jackman see for young rugby players?
Jordy Barrett for a year and they were incredible. Rico came in, obviously his all-black form had dipped. He went back playing, I think he played a little bit of MPC. He wasn't in the top physical condition or form coming over and he's been slow, to be honest. It was very slow. Now, to be fair to him,
He wasn't always playing with the international side because our international players get rested. Obviously, he wasn't away for Six Nations, so he had to play with some younger players and they haven't been stepping up to the same level. So I do feel for him. But to be honest, the last three weeks, there's been a big change. It's like those really good...
you know, race horse trainers get the horses ready for the Melbourne Cup or the British or the English Derby. And this is money time now. This is money time in Ireland. The best players get ready for knockout rugby. And I just think over the last three weeks, Rico has performed much better. He's had a big impact in the game. He made a choice-saving tackle last week to keep Leinster.
Last play of the game against Toulon, the force of turnover, when if Leinster, if he hadn't made a tackle, And so it would be out. And at the weekend against them, the Lions, he scored a couple of tries, just looked really physical, really confident and really settled with the group. So he's primed to finish on a high.
They have one more URC game this weekend, then the Champions Cup game against Bordeaux next week. And, you know, you look at that Bordeaux side, you know, likes to be a Barry, Lucu, Jalibert.
Damian Penno in the back line and you know Leinster have internationals Irish internationals you know Jemison Gibson Park obviously is a Kiwi who's done an amazing job in Leinster and Ireland Gary Ringrose Q O'Keenan etc but James Lowe has had an injury problem he might be back for the final but if not I think Rico will start on the left wing and yeah Leinster and Leo Cullum will need him because Leinster for the first time in a long time Martin
are going into this as underdogs. They've been favourites for three or four finals and come unstuck against Toulouse after extra time against La Rochelle twice. Bordeaux are the champions. Bordeaux played the best rugby this year. With Leinster, Leinster have changed.
Jacques Ninevard, the Springbok World Cup winning coach, double World Cup winning coach, a British and Irish Lions series winner, has brought the Springbok defence to Leinster. They don't attack in the same manner they did before. But we know the box, know how to win, knock out rugby.
And I think everybody in Irish, well, no, everyone in Leinster, because the provinces hate each other, everyone in Leinster wants that defensive effort to be the key to hopefully winning our first European Cup since 2018.
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