Why The All Blacks Need PATIENCE With Dave Rennie | Ross Karl
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He's getting him. Oh, there you go. He was forward. Oh! The Devlin Sports Podcast Network. DSPN, welcome in, and welcome in to a good friend of the show. I had so much fun in Baltimore with James Parsons, I thought I'd introduce another member of the LTRL Rugby Pod into the DSPN family. Ross, you've been here before though, haven't you? Yes, yeah, I've done one with you, yeah. Yeah, Ross Carl joins us, really keen to pick his brain and collaborate once again on some big rugby issues in a non-all-black time we have here. So there's a few things going on, though. We have a test match this weekend between the Springboks and Wallabies. We'll touch on that. but I would like to talk to you, Ross, straight up about your reflections on the greatest rivalry tour and perhaps what the All Blacks could learn from the way the Springboks are doing things, and in particular, Coach Ressi Erasmus.
Yeah, I think the main thing you've got to remember is that it is a very short-term Dave Rennie situation. And when Rasio Rasmus came in, he was in probably a more perilous situation than Rennie is at the moment. And he had to deal with a lot more. He had to deal with... all of the elements around selecting coloured and black players and making all of that work as well as turning around a team. So he had quite a complex scenario that he had to deal with and he was backed to do it. He got through it. He spent his time. 2019 World Cup, I wouldn't say was the masterstroke. That was, I'm not going to call it lucky, but he hit a little earlier than he thought he was going to. You know, they lost to the All Blacks and then the All Blacks lost to England and they made their way through and they won it.
They deserved it. No doubting that. But 2023 was the real masterstroke. He had spent the time, he had built it up, and that allowed him to be in the position he is now. 2019 probably allowed him to have a little bit more power to continue to do what he wanted to do without people questioning him. But that amount of time brings you a few things. It brings you an understanding of the people who are playing for you, them an understanding of who you are, the ability to create a collective idea, to go ahead and put it in place, create the confidence to do things, and then to build on top of that, starting with a base level of, let's get back to set piece, let's get a kicking game, appreciate game right, and then...
You know, let's bring in Tony Brown. Let's start looking wide and let's start doing different things. So he has that base. And for me, the key lesson for the All Blacks out of this is that, yes, we've seen a quick turnaround in playing style. I think you've seen a turnaround in culture and a belief from the players in what they're trying to achieve, which is great. But what we need to see, and I have noticed recently on social media a few people posting about win-loss records and all those sort of things comparing the coaches. Well, you can do that after six months if you want, but that's not practical. It's not pragmatic, and it's not going to help you become a two-time World Cup winning coach the way that Rassi Erasmus is.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–7:29
2
What lessons can the All Blacks learn from Rassie Erasmus’s coaching era?
7:29–16:52
3
How does Rassie’s media strategy influence South African rugby narratives?
16:52–25:45
4
Why does the Springboks’ scrum preparation give them a competitive edge?
25:45–35:51
5
How do referee perceptions and media pressure affect match outcomes?
35:51–44:50
6
What caused the All Blacks’ line‑out collapse on the recent tour?
44:50–54:22
7
How should New Zealand Rugby restructure its pathway and NPC systems?
54:22–56:13
Speakers
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