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Chapter 1: What are the benefits of placing data centers in space?
So are there really three hours of questions? Or are you fucking serious? Yeah.
You don't even have a lot to talk about, Elon? Only a point, man. I mean, it's the most interesting point. All the storylines are kind of converging right now. So we'll see how much... It's almost like I planned it.
Exactly. Well, we'll get to that. I would never do such a thing. So as you know better than anybody else, the total cost of ownership of a data center, only 10% to 15% is energy. And that's the part you're presumably saving by moving this into space. Most of it's the GPUs. If they're in space, it's hard to service them, or you can't service them. And so the depreciation cycle goes down on them.
So it's just way more expensive to have the GPUs in space, presumably. What's the reason to put them in space?
Well, the availability of energy is the issue. So, I mean, if you look at electrical output outside of China, everywhere outside of China, it's more or less flat. It's very, you know, maybe a slight increase, but pretty much flat. China has a rapid increase in electrical output.
But if you're putting data centers anywhere except China, where are you going to get your electricity, especially as you scale?
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Chapter 2: How does energy availability influence data center locations?
The output of chips is growing pretty much exponentially, but the output of electricity is flat. So how are you going to turn the chips on?
Magical power sources?
Magical electricity fairies?
You're famously a big fan of solar, one terawatt of solar power. So with a 25% capacity factor, like four terawatts of solar panels, it's like 1% of the land area of the United States. And you were in the singularity when we've got one terawatt of data centers, right? So what are you running out of exactly?
How far into the singularity are you? You tell me. Yeah, exactly. So I think we'll find we're in the singularity and like, oh, OK, we've still got a long way to go.
But is the plan to put it in the space after we've covered Nevada and solar panels? I think it's pretty hard to cover Nevada and solar panels. You have to get permits for that. Try getting the permits for that. So space is really a regulatory play. It's harder to build on land than it is in space.
It's harder to scale on ground than it is to scale in space. But also, you're going to get about five times the effectiveness of solar panels in space versus the ground. And you don't need batteries. Right. I almost wore my other shirt, which says it's always sunny in space, which it is.
Because you don't have a day-night cycle or seasonality clouds or an atmosphere in space, because the atmosphere alone results in about a 30% loss of energy. Any given solar panels can do about five times more power in space than on the ground. And you avoid the cost of having batteries to carry you through the night. So it's actually much cheaper to do in space. And my prediction is that
it will be by far the cheapest place to put AI will be space in 36 months or less, maybe 30 months. 36 months? Less than 36 months.
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Chapter 3: What challenges exist for servicing GPUs in space?
This administration is not the biggest fan of solar. We also need the land, the permits and everything. So if you're trying to move very fast, I do think scaling solar on Earth is a good way to go. But you do need some amount of time to find the land, get the permits, get the solar, pair that with the batteries.
But why would it not work to stand up your own solar production? And then you're right that you eventually run out of land. But there's a lot of land here in Texas. There's a lot of land in Nevada, including private land. It's not all publicly owned land. And so you'd be able to at least get the next Colossus and the next one after that. And at a certain point, you hit a wall.
But wouldn't that work for the moment?
As I said, we are scaling solar production. There's a rate at which you can scale physical production of solar cells. We're going as fast as possible in scaling domestic production. You're making the solar cells at Tesla? Well, Tesla and SpaceX have a mandate to get to 100 gigawatts a year of solar.
Speaking of the annual capacity, I'm curious, in five years' time, let's say, what will the installed capacity be on Earth? Five years is a long time. And in space. I deliberately picked five years because it's after your once-we're-up-and-running threshold. And so in five years' time, yeah, what's the on-Earth versus in-space installed AI capacity?
Five years, I think probably, if you say five years from now, we're probably... AI in space will be launching every year the sum total of all AI on Earth in excess.
Meaning five years from now, my prediction is we will launch and be operating every year more AI in space than the cumulative total on Earth, which is, I would expect to be at least sort of five years from now, a few hundred gigawatts per year. of AI in space and rising.
So you can get to, I think on Earth you can get to around a terawatt a year of AI in space before you start having fuel supply challenges for the rocket.
Okay, but you think you can get to hundreds of gigawatts per year in five years time?
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Chapter 4: How will solar energy generation in space compare to Earth?
That's never been a problem for you, Elon.
You know, there's a price to pay for these things. Make some general statements for us about the depth of the capital markets between public and private markets.
Yeah, there's a lot more capital in the... Very general. There's obviously a lot more capital available in the public markets than private. It might be 100 times more capital, but it's at least way more than 10.
But isn't it also the case that things that tend to be very capital intensive, if you look at, say, real estate as a huge industry that raise a lot of money each year at an industry level, that tends to be debt financed because by the time you're deploying that much money, you actually have a pretty- You have a clear revenue stream. Exactly, and a near-term return.
And you see this even with the data center build-outs, which are famously being financed by the private credit industry. And so why not just debt finance?
Speed is important. So I'm generally going to do the thing that... I mean, I just repeatedly tackle the limiting factor. Whatever the limiting factor is on speed, I'm going to tackle that. If capital is the limiting factor, then I'll sell for capital. If it's not the limiting factor, I'll sell for something else.
Based on your statements about Tesla and being public, I wouldn't have guessed that you thought the way to move fast is to be public.
Normally, I would say that's true. Like I said, I'd like to talk about this in more detail. But the problem is, if you talk about public companies before they become public, you get into trouble. And then you have to delay your offering. And then you're done. MARK BLYTHEUSE- And as we said, we're solving for speed. MARK BLYTHEUSE- Yes. Exactly. You can't hype companies that might go public.
That's why we have to be a little careful here. We can't talk about physics. The way you think about scaling long term is that Earth only receives about half a billionth of the sun's energy. And the sun is essentially all the energy. This is a very important point to appreciate because sometimes people will talk about modular nuclear reactors or any various like fusion on earth.
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Chapter 5: What are the synergies between XAI and Optimus?
You maybe want to use some really smart intelligence as the control plane. And so maybe Grok is doing the slower planning, and then the motor policy is at the lower level. Yeah, what will the sort of synergy between
Yeah, so Grok would orchestrate the behavior of the Optimus robots. So let's say you wanted to build a factory. Then Grok could organize the Optimus robots, assign them tasks to build the factory to produce whatever you want.
Chapter 6: What challenges exist in scaling humanoid manufacturing?
Don't you need to merge XAI and Tesla then? Because these things end up so...
What were we saying earlier about public company discussions?
We're one more Guinness in, Elon. What are you waiting to see before you say, we want to manufacture 100,000 optimists? Is it like- Optimae.
Since we're defining the proper noun, we could define the plural of the proper noun too. So we're going to proper noun the plural, and so it's optimae.
Okay.
Is there something on the hardware side you want to see? Do you want to see better actuators? Or is it just you want the software to be better? What are we waiting for before we get mass manufacturing of Gen 3?
No, we're moving towards that. We're going forward with mass manufacturing.
But you think current hardware is good enough that you just want to deploy as many as possible now?
I mean, it's very hard to scale up production. But yeah, I think Optimus 3 is the right version of the robot to produce maybe something on the order of like a million units a year.
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Chapter 7: How does the choice of materials impact rocket design?
I think you'd want to go to Optimus 4 before you went to 10 million units a year.
Okay, but you can do a millionaire at Optimus 3.
Yeah, I mean, it's very hard to spool up manufacturing. So manufacturing, the output per unit time always follows an S-curve. So it starts off agonizingly slow, then it has this sort of exponential increase, then a linear, then a logarithmic outcome until you sort of eventually asymptote at some number.
But Optimus initial production will be, it's going to be a stretched out S-Cove because so much of what goes into Optimus is brand new. There's not an existing supply chain. As I mentioned, the actuators, electronics, everything in the Optimus robot is designed for physics first principles. It's not taken from a catalog. These are custom designed everything, literally everything.
I don't think there's a single thing that- How far down does that go? I mean, I guess we're not making custom capacitors yet, maybe, but... But there's nothing you can pick out of a catalog at any price.
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Chapter 8: What is the role of government in AI and robotics development?
So it just means that the Optimus S curve, the output per unit time, how many Optimus robots you make per day, whatever, is going to initially ramp slower than a product where you have an existing supply chain. But it will get to a million.
When you see these Chinese humanoids, like Unity or whatever, sell humanoids for like 6k or 13k, do you just like, are you hoping to get your optimist's bill of materials below that price so you can do the same thing? Or do you just think qualitatively they're not the same thing? Like, what do you think is going, like, what allows it, what allows it to sell for so low? And can we match that?
Well, our Optimus is designed to have a lot of intelligence and to have the same electromechanical dexterity, if not higher than a human. So Neon Tree does not have that. And it's also, I mean, it's quite a big robot. It has to carry heavy objects for long periods of time and not overheat or exceed the power of its actuators. So we've got, you know, it's 511, you know, so it's pretty tall.
And it's got a lot of intelligence. So it's going to be more expensive than a small robot that is not intelligent. But more capable. Yeah. But not a lot more. I mean, the thing is, over time, as Optimus robots build Optimus robots, the cost will drop very quickly.
And what will these first billion optimists, optimi, do? What will their highest and best use be?
I think you would start off with simple tasks that you can count on them doing well. But in the home or in factories? The best use for robots in the beginning will be any continuous operations, any 24 by 7 operation, because they can work continuously. Yeah.
What fraction of the work at a gigafactory that is currently done by humans could a Gen 3 do?
I'm not sure. Maybe it's like 10, 20%. Maybe more. I don't know. We would use... We would not reduce our head count. We would increase our head count, to be clear. But we would increase our output. So the units produced per human, like the total number of humans at Tesla will increase, but the output of robots and cars will increase disproportionately. Like much...
The number of cars and robots produced per human will increase dramatically, but the number of humans will increase as well.
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