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Dwarkesh Podcast

Notes on China

05 Mar 2025

19 min duration
3377 words
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05 Mar 2025
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I’m so excited with how this visualization of Notes on China turned out. Petr, thank you for such beautiful watercolor artwork. More to come!Watch on YouTube.----------Timestamps(0:00:00) - Intro(0:00:32) - Scale(0:05:50) - Vibes(0:11:14) - Youngsters(0:14:27) - Tech & AI(0:15:47) - Hearts & Minds(0:17:07) - On Travel Get full access to Dwarkesh Podcast at www.dwarkesh.com/subscribe

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0.031 - 21.746 Dwarkesh Patel

Last week, I spent two weeks in China. I visited Beijing, Chengdu, Amisham, Chongqing, Shanghai, and Hangzhou. I went because, look, the big thing I tried to figure out on this podcast is what's happening in AI. And the biggest unknown variable there is what's going to happen in China. I don't yet have the answer to this question.

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21.806 - 48.465 Dwarkesh Patel

This trip was a beginning of my curiosity about the country and not the capstone. But as I learn more about China over the coming months, I hope to share what I learn with you. Scale. It's funny how China has basically the inverse problem as America. We subsidize demand and restrict supply. They subsidize supply and restrict demand. We can't rebuild fallen bridges. They build bridges to nowhere.

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50.217 - 69.536 Dwarkesh Patel

In the most desirable cities in this country, every random Victorian house and park bench is a historic site that can't be disturbed. There, they'll bulldoze a 500-year-old temple to build an endless skyscraper complex that nobody wants to live in. My overwhelming first impression was, wow, everything is so fucking big.

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69.556 - 92.745 Dwarkesh Patel

The cities themselves, the train stations, the airports, the towering and endless apartment complexes. Travel often teaches you things about a country which you honestly should have intuited even without visiting. Obviously, I knew that China is a big country with over 1.4 billion people. The stupendous scale of the biggest cities was impressed upon me only after I visited.

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94.025 - 113.991 Dwarkesh Patel

Even in Amisham, a city of just half a million people, which is considered honestly a quaint countryside town by Chinese standards, we found a Buddhist temple of comical scale. We'd enter what seemed like an impressively large compound, only to discover that it was merely the entrance to an even grander structure right behind it.

113.971 - 134.672 Dwarkesh Patel

This pattern repeated five or six times, each subsequent building larger and more ornate than the last, like some sort of inverse nesting doll. And the place had almost no other visitors, by the way. I asked a monk at the temple how they funded this massive site in a city of just half a million people. He told us that it was simply through donations.

135.353 - 157.073 Dwarkesh Patel

We probed further about how such an enormous project could have been financed by just ordinary people's contributions. He responded, we've got a lot of supporters, dude, and changed the topic. Chongqing is by far the coolest city I've ever visited. It's this insane cyberpunk multi-level metropolis with over 20 million people.

158.335 - 174.571 Dwarkesh Patel

I wouldn't begin to know how to describe it, but there's a bunch of great YouTube videos which will show you what I mean. I got a really nice two-floor hotel room that overlooked two rivers and one of the most insane skylines in the world for $60. I'd highly recommend visiting Chongqing if you get the chance.

175.592 - 200.764 Dwarkesh Patel

In 1995, astronomers pointed Hubble at a seemingly empty patch of sky the size of a grain of sand held at arm's length. Instead of emptiness, the 10-day exposure revealed over 3,000 galaxies. Every speck of light in the image was an entire galaxy containing billions of stars. When I went atop the tallest building in Chongqing and looked over the city, I thought about that Hubble image.

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