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Escaping the Drift with John Gafford

Building a High-Performance Life - Paul Larache

24 Mar 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

4.469 - 20.684 John Gafford

And now, Escaping the Drift, the show designed to get you from where you are to where you want to be. I'm John Gafford, and I have a knack for getting extraordinary achievers to drop their secrets to help you on a path to greatness. So stop drifting along, escape the drift, and it's time to start right now.

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21.125 - 45.883 John Gafford

back again back again for another episode of like it says in the opening the show that gets you from where you are to where you want to go and today beaming into the studio from the sunny sunny shores of fort myers florida but originally starting out the very cold part part of the world in toronto this is a canadian media entrepreneur and behavioral science expert

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45.863 - 70.346 John Gafford

He is the author of the book, The Divided Brain, Help Make Sense of What Doesn't Make Sense. And he's here to talk about how to understand human psychology in a way that can help you both personally and with your business. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the program. This is Paul Larcher. Paul, how are you? I'm great. It's Paul Larch, but that's close enough. Then you know what? Nope. Nope.

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70.366 - 79.946 John Gafford

We're starting again because that is not good enough. Oh, I should have told you that earlier. No, no. Normally that's my fault. Normally I have a pronunciation on here and I don't have one today for some reason.

79.966 - 80.687 Paul Larache

So we're going to start again.

80.988 - 102.617 John Gafford

Here we're going to start again. So here we go. So Stu, this will be take two on this. Here we go. Ready? Yep. back again for another episode of the podcast like it says in the opening gets you from where you are to where you want to be and today beaming into the studio from the sunny shores of fort myers florida but originally hailing from the cold cold northeast of toronto

102.597 - 121.922 John Gafford

He is a Canadian media entrepreneur, a behavioral science expert. He is the founder and leader. He is a founder and leader in digital media and performance psychology and the author of the book, The Divided Brain. Help make sense of what doesn't make sense. And he's here to help you talk about how to understand human psychology to help you in both life and business.

122.562 - 126.968 John Gafford

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the program. This is Paul Larch. Paul, how are you?

Chapter 2: How did Paul Larch get into the field of behavioral science?

708.477 - 733.725 Paul Larache

The old brain has a bunch of characteristics that are, again, built in that we have no conscious control over, even though we think we do. It was built for survival and reproduction. It was like survive long enough to reproduce. And then technically your genes were happy because then you would pass on your genes to another generation. And that's what evolution is all about.

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733.705 - 754.394 Paul Larache

And that's why through evolution, I mean, we're a masterpiece of evolution when you think about it, but almost all of that history of our evolution was in an environment where things like food were scarce. Things like you just mentioned, status were very important within a tribe. all of these things were much different.

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754.474 - 776.874 Paul Larache

The world we live in today, when I say today, you could even argue the last 10,000 years since the industrial and agricultural revolutions have kicked in, put us in an odd position. But like the old brain, for example, it's very, like I said, it's fast and it's simple. It doesn't want to use much energy because it wants to conserve energy, which suited us well at one point.

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776.894 - 802.812 Paul Larache

So it likes to make really fast decisions. It doesn't use much wattage. It likes familiarity because it's resistant to change because it doesn't want anything that's considered to be out of the ordinary. It's always looking out for itself, which makes perfect sense when you think about it. It's tribal in the sense that we need to cooperate with others to survive.

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802.792 - 825.664 Paul Larache

But there's other things in it, like you mentioned status and appearance, you know, that makes our old brain actually quite vain and thin skinned, but all for a good reason. Because if it made people focus on their status and appearance and where they were in the pecking order, then they would have an opportunity to find a better mate and pass on better genes to the next generation.

825.704 - 829.069 Paul Larache

So it all keeps coming back to evolution. Okay.

829.089 - 845.556 John Gafford

Well, let me ask you, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. If I'm marketing somebody and there's powerful motivators that exist within the old brain, if you had to rank the top five with one being the most powerful, which what you should be trying to appeal to, how would you rank those? What would that list look like?

846.218 - 873.155 Paul Larache

Well, my marketing hat would say it would depend on what the product or service is. In the book, I talk about there's three – We are basically emotional machines that think. We're not thinking machines that are emotional. And people have to, once they grasp that, then they say, okay, if it's emotion, what emotion is driving it? And I break the emotions into kind of three areas.

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One is the heart. which has everything to do with love, belonging, family, just as the metaphor says, the heart. Then I talk about the gut. And the gut really was because, again, through most of our evolution, food was scarce. And you really went out of your way to hoard and, you know, hunter-gatherers. to make sure that you had something for a rainy day.

Chapter 3: What is the significance of the 'old brain' in decision-making?

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It's not 20. Yes, $29. The old brain will pick up on that right away and go, okay, you're just trying to sheist me here. Nice try. Well, most people, but sometimes you can run a business with that 0.1% that will be gullible and buy into those things.

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2505.108 - 2518.327 John Gafford

So when you ask people in that respect, when you talk to people, do you tell them that gut feeling is normally better than your thought process? Your intuition in your gut is probably better?

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2518.868 - 2538.507 Paul Larache

Well, again, the old brain runs on intuition, or you can call it gut. And for the most part, it is right. It is right most of the time because most of – What the old brain does is not just evolution. I've been talking about a lot of things that are built into our DNA that kept us alive.

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2538.79 - 2566.013 Paul Larache

but all a lot of it also comes from our childhood and how we were brought up and how we were educated and who we hung around with with schools we went to all of these things will have some type of bearing on it but uh these things are called heuristics and in psychology and they're really they're like mental uh shortcuts they're like rules of thumb for lack of a better term so that is usually what intuition is and

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2565.993 - 2579.073 Paul Larache

Again, I keep on going back to it. But for the most part, it is right. It's just not always right. And if somebody is trying to manipulate that, it's easier to manipulate these days. So you really have to be tuned up for it.

2579.674 - 2594.397 John Gafford

Well, let's talk about this then. So we know the old brain is running, and that's our gut feeling. So how do you develop? What can you do to make the new brain more effective, more efficient, more profound in your decision making?

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Again, what I tell people in the book is disengaging those two gears and actually studying critical thinking. I have a whole chapter on basic critical thinking techniques. You mentioned a good one a while ago.

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One of the ones I say, one of the first one is to use, it's a principle called Occam's Razor, which means, and a lot of scientists use it, is usually the easiest answer is usually the correct answer. That's why conspiracy theories always tend to fall apart because so many things have to happen for their conspiracy theory to be actual true that that's where the argument falls apart.

2639.551 - 2662.505 Paul Larache

Um, if, if you have to go through 15 hoops, you know, to make your, your, your argument, then there's, there's there, something's wrong with that argument. It wouldn't hold up to, to good scrutiny. So, you know, the critical thinking isn't like people think, Oh, what it is like you're, again, you're going to be so skeptical. It's not, it's just taking in what we have learned.

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