The Unseen Strength in Setbacks with James Catledge

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Who is James Catledge and what is his story?

John Gafford 3:35
And I kind of just want to hear the story of how all that stuff happens. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the program. This is James Catledge. James, how are you? Good, thanks for having me.
James Catledge 3:45
Glad to be here.
John Gafford 3:45
See, full disclosure, I screwed up the first opening. That was word for word almost exactly the same thing. Very good, yeah, very good. See, I'm a pro here, James, I'm a pro. Yes, you are. That's how we do it. So let's back up, man. Obviously... You know, you've had quite the life.

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