The Saturday Edition | 19 Sep 2026

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What is the “Trust Us” category and how does it relate to the immigration debate?

Michael Thompson 0:06
This is the Saturday edition of Fear and Greed, business news you can use. I'm Michael Thompson, and good morning, Sean Aylmer. Good morning, Michael. And good morning to you, Adam Lang. Good morning, Michael, and good morning, Sean. Morning, Adamski. Look, if there are any first-time listeners that have joined us since we talked about this last week, this is a competition.
Don't.
Michael Thompson 0:24
early warning don't stop pull up get out of here now no it is this is a competition if you've come for serious news discussion there might be some of that as well maybe but there is a judging system and the news stories are going to be judged across four categories that the judge doesn't even know yet himself there are criteria Adam that you'll be applying loosely We change the categories for you every week so that you don't know what's coming for the news. Can't you make the criteria something as well, like the best use of props, perhaps? Well,
Adam Lang 1:05
perhaps the best use of productivity because that's been very topical this week and very timely. And of course, it has the big one, economic impact in it. And I'd love to hear a bit of good storytelling and some melodrama.
Michael Thompson 1:19
So in other words, no change. Exactly
Adam Lang 1:22
the same as it always
Michael Thompson 1:22
is. Rock solid.
Sean Aylmer 1:24
You're at the wrong show, Adam. Take the weekday versions.
Michael Thompson 1:30
Oh, God. All right. Well, let's get into it then. Sean,
Sean Aylmer 1:34
I think you should
Michael Thompson 1:35
kick us off with our first category. And our first category is called Trust Us.
Unknown 1:43
Right.
Sean Aylmer 1:43
So this category is about... A story where people have just said, trust us, it'll all be okay. And my entry into this is immigration and the race to the bottom. Each side of politics, in fact, three sides of politics, we're including One Nation, say they'll do better. ALP wants to get immigration numbers down to 225,000 by 2028, released its policy this week. One Nation... $225,000. They're going for $130,000. That's all. Coalition hasn't released its policy yet, but that's probably somewhere under $200,000. Basically, what we know with the ALP, students and backpackers, they were targeted. So too were overstated students. I don't know what I'm talking about here. Students and backpackers were targeted. It's my job.
Sean Aylmer 2:32
Overstayers were targeted as well. Immigration Minister Tony Burke says that immigration doesn't cause housing hardship. However, fewer migrants will help the housing situation. I don't really know how that works. That sort of... In fact, I'm going to get on my high horse here, right? Mount up, Sean. Giddy up. Migration, this really irritates me, this issue, right? Migration is good. It adds to aggregate demand. What isn't good is we don't have enough housing. And that's not about capital gains tax and that's not about negative gearing. That's about supply. Shouldn't we be spending all this time helping councils, you know, Remove bureaucracy, approve more homes. Shouldn't we be making sure the banks are backing developers and builders?
Sean Aylmer 3:18
Shouldn't we be cutting the red tape? Isn't that what it's about? That's the answer. And then we can have double our migration rate. We have much higher aggregate demand. We get much better stores and food and all sorts of stuff that migrants bring with them. We have incredibly good sports people all of a sudden that are calling themselves Australian because they've come from somewhere else. Look at the AFL. Welcome. Seriously. How about we fix the supply of housing and overcome all this hullabaloo about immigration? I reckon we should double the numbers.
Michael Thompson 3:51
I think you have just talked about so much reform that for some reason, mysteriously, Adam is now smoking a cigarette. I have no idea what's happened to him. And a cup of tea. 30 seconds. Wow.
Sean Aylmer 4:06
Bad. Over to you, Michael. Don't put your hand up. Stop giggling. Tell me, that's what? See, whew. Good speech. See, that is my trust us story. Trust us on immigration. I don't. Michael, over to you.
Michael Thompson 4:24
All right, all right. Look, mine... I mean, that's a big issue for Australia. Mine's a big issue for the entire planet,
Sean Aylmer 4:32
the
Michael Thompson 4:32
entire world. Mine is trust us. Trust us, say the AI companies, that we
Adam Lang 4:39
are going to
Michael Thompson 4:40
do the right thing.

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