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MacBroz Show 76 – Overhyped or Must-Have? SHOT Show Talk
25 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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And welcome back to another episode of the Mac Bros Show. it's your boys and welcome back to another episode of the mac bro show yo this ain't a podcast this is a movie you should binge it josh and darius going mac mode better listen best friends but them bullets doing long distance pulling up with I know you missed this. They all in attendance. Trying to stack bands and inspire the children.
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Welcome everybody. This is a different type of show today. This is episode 76 of the Mac Bros show. My name is Josh, also known as J-Web. And normally I'm joined by a handsome man known as Darius or Deez Gaines, my best friend. But he is out sick today.
So we're going to have a rapid-fire panel of people in the community to do all kinds of different things, whether we're shooters, consumers, builders, modifiers, or business owners, and talking about all things SHOT Show. But I still want to keep some of the show on track. So we're going to do our fun fact. I'm going to go over a little bit of new business.
And then we'll get into the meat of the show. So Darius sent in his fun fact that I actually had to verify because I'm not going to read off a teleprompter his fun fact and then sound like Ron Burgundy and be an idiot. So Darius's fun fact actually was that early combat red dots were pioneered by Aimpoint.
In 1975, they were adopted by the military and law enforcement forces in the early 1970s, which established Red Dots as a viable combat equipment. So we think about all the stuff we saw this week at SHOT Show, the truckload of stuff, Holosun dropped, and O-Sight and everyone else dropped. We can at least lend a nod thanks to Aimpoint. And they're still in the business.
So Aimpoint kind of led the way with that. I didn't know that, but I thought that was pretty cool to share. Did you guys know that?
I did not. I did not know that at all.
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Chapter 2: What were the standout products at SHOT Show 2025?
It's pretty weighty on the top end. It's thicker than a 43X. It's kind of like the M&P. Um, so it's really cool though. It supports Glock pieces. So if you were to change out the trigger or the springs and stuff, it would be Glock supported. Do you know, is it a slimline Glock parts or is it full size regular Glock? Cause the 43 X 48 there have a different FCU in the rear.
I would have to look into their website, and what's really cool about their website is they actually have an AI chatbot that will spit out all types of information, not just generic stuff. But it looks like the recoil spring is what you would get in the slim lines. Okay. This is RMSC. RMSC. Yep. So it's in his direct mount, which is cool. So no plates. But I'm going to be looking into this.
Also, just shameless plug. My boy Gamage also has one. So look out for his video coming soon. So you see different perspectives of it. He's an instructor. I'm not. And so you see how we handle it differently across the squad drills ecosystem. But I'm excited for that. Plus, this was just announced last October and it was highlighted at SHOT Show.
So sort of had SHOT Show at home, which was kind of cool.
so um and then last youtube channel still growing thank you everybody for subscribing and supporting uh we've got new videos every week and uh this week was about the leisure carry belt that i've been running for like years so brought that back up but um we're going to introduce the folks that are on the call now if you could kind of just tell us who you are what you do in the gun industry and uh then we'll get into the conversation so i'll hit taylor first
Cool. Yeah. So I'm Taylor, uh, taters 33 on Instagram. Um, I am part of monsoon tactical. I do a lot of the Sarah coding there and stippling, um, QC, take things apart, put things back together, all the above kind of like a little bit skinnier and taller version of any, um, where, uh, two peas in a pod when it comes to comes to the shop life. And if, uh,
Anything that comes through is done by the two of us and our machinist and our other owner, Zach. We're a small company. We build lots of really cool stuff. That you do. That you do. A lot of really cool stuff. Awesome stuff. I got some ideas for some more projects. We'll head to Rob next.
I'm Rob. I'm the owner of Mad Science Tactical. We, right now, it's just me. One man show. So I kind of do everything. And we invented and patented a grip safety pinning device for the 2011 gang. It is very cool. It's fun. It's a game changer. It definitely allows striker fire shooters a much smoother entry into the 2011 world.
Well said. And last but not least, our lady on the call, Amanda.
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Chapter 3: Which products didn't meet expectations at SHOT Show?
It's okay. They figured it out. I'm always a fan. If you do it in the factory before it gets to the end user, I'm a fan.
Exactly. It's smart. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Now that I have mine pinned, I'm like, why would you not? And I've ran others that weren't. But I get it. I also understand the safety perspective of it as well.
Well, you know, a little history lesson on that. That was requested by the military when we were still on horseback. Right? So, the world has changed. So, it's just not needed. What if I'm still on a horse? Montana? Some people in Montana having some fun? A little Yellowstone? Yeah, I wouldn't shoot it. I mean, shooting on horseback is another ballgame.
Yeah. I mean, I suck at moving and shooting at a normal pace, and horseback is crazy. Up and down? Yeah. I get it. Rob, what did you see? What is, what is the one thing that you might've seen that you said, okay, I want that.
Ooh, I got, there was three. I don't go, I don't go small. I go three. I think the Sabre 11 from Palmetto is going to make a splash. I think it's going to make a splash knowing their reach. And I think I heard the price point right around 1500. I mean, I think it's going to be very well received. Yeah.
Uh,
I'm a staccato shill, let's call it. I'm a fanboy, obviously. The C4X is not what I shot. I shot something a little different when I was there that was a prototype. I think this is better than what I shot. I love the side ports on that comp. I'm looking forward to that. I've got one ordered already. And then I think Sig actually did something pretty good with the GTOs. and listen to consumers.
They brought out the GT4, the GT5. So they've got a compact carry model, and then they've got a non-ported GTO, which I think we'll see a lot of those in USPSA this year, I think.
Yeah, I saw in some of the... I've been consuming a lot of my friends' content just because I want to be supportive of them as they would be for me. And the GT5 is what that one's called, and that is... They were saying they were selling out of the monoblock to replace the comp so much. They were like, we just got to make the whole slide. The GT4, for me, I was like, alright.
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Chapter 4: What gear are the hosts and guests excited about?
So that sucker is handmade, which is nice, but a thousand dollars being massive jump.
So did you get your hands on one Rob?
I shot something like the C4X. It had that island comp on it, but it did not have those side ports on it.
My big thing... I think we all want to talk about the C4X. I know Rob does, and I'm sure you do too, Jay. We all like 2011. We're in good company here. M&Ps are better, but we'll get into that. Hey, I'm joking. That's on my list. It's a steel frame M&P, and they, again, do the same thing in small sizes, just a little bit, and we're cooking again. Yeah.
So the big gripe I have with the HDs, and I'll be curious to see with the C4, because it's starting to get close to XC pricing, and the XC is – wildly different feeling gun than the HD line because it's still a hand-fit gun. It's still a very, very well-machined and made gun.
And I'll be curious to see if they just took a P4 frame and a C36 slide and slapped a comp on it and charged $1,000 more.
That's exactly what it is. I mean, you're spot on. I mean, I saw spot on with it. There was a little QBO called it an Easter egg. Roger called it an Easter egg. There was a metal staccato grip. Yeah, I want to know about that. That's cool.
I saw that. I wonder that. To me, so if they did the C4X with the comp and the metal grip, sure, $1,000 more.
Oh, definitely.
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Chapter 5: What trends in the gun industry are becoming tiresome?
Like, You're right there. Be together. Just do that, and then if that works out well as a demo, then let's start talking business on the back end and say, hey, how do we make this happen? We need to talk to any one of these manufacturers, whether it's Canik, Glock, Smith, whoever, and say, hey, we have an idea. We're seeing a lot of consumers slap these parts on their guns.
Let's talk about a deal so we can just offer them a complete package. you know, that might be the new version of that. I mean, you know, throw us in the mix with us and lone wolf, you know, we did the dust 19 with them and it did phenomenally. Yeah. People like it. Yeah. Totally get it. Totally get it. Um, let's see here. Um, here, here's what I thought that was very interesting.
Um,
Shadow Systems Axiom. What did you guys think of that? I saw a little bit about it. I'm curious.
Yeah, I think that's a good word, is curious. I was like, okay, doing something different, you know. Different's the word.
yeah yeah it was it was heavy uh as far as materials and then their price again and i i i bring up my my turkish glock glockish thing from fusion firearms right this this thing is is weighty and it's 600 bucks right right so um Some people like shadow systems. I have a couple of shadow systems, lowers. They used to sell their lowers alone. That was really cool.
But a two K striker, man, that's tough. That's steep. And they, and they swear by it. So, you know, I'm sure there's going to be some guy out there that's just doing duty work.
I don't think it's a competition piece, but that's a competition piece. Yeah.
Yeah. One that I'm really, really, really, really excited for is the Zermatt. The Zermatt Waltz 9, I think is what it's called. I think that gun is going to dominate the Lim Ops division in USPSA. I really do. And maybe I don't know enough about it to know if without a Magwell it's carry optics legal. But if it is, because it is technically a striker fire gun, there is no exposed hammer.
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Chapter 6: What does the community want from future products?
And it's like we just talked about how everyone's broke, you know? Yeah, exactly. And now the price point goes up. But I'm in the same boat. I'm looking at two sides of it. I'm looking at what is in the higher end, but my tier, so the 2K-ish number is where I'm at. But I also like the budget stuff too, but I also recognize there might be a difference in quality in the budget stuff.
I had a Prodigy. I had an XP Pro. I've shot the Platypus. I've shot the OA. I've shot a lot of different things that are in different price points. And it wasn't even something I mentioned from the event, and some people have had mixed reviews on it. One of the things that I've had in my hands recently that's really, really impressed me for the price point is the Romulus. Yeah, Romulus is cool.
It runs really good. Even though the port's tiny, it does good work. I'm confident if I was to acquire one maybe in the next couple weeks, the port would get opened a little bit bigger.
And then I would really put in some work and and I look at that and I say well, what's the reason why and it's usually because of importing and materials and International manufacturing versus stateside stuff and and I'm not saying I don't want to keep everything in America. It's just I How do we eliminate some of those costs on our end?
I know there's taxes and tariffs and stuff like that from international stuff, but look at what Fusion Firearms is doing. Lou made a joke in the comments that he thinks some of these companies are like Glock, worked with Fusion, worked with Staccato to make a thing. But Fusion is releasing stuff that's coming out soon. They've got the XP component. You guys have one at the shop.
I've shot one, shoots really well. The grip is well improved. I had an XP Pro, shoots great. And they just came out with their smaller one that's going to be released later this year. And everything is 15 or less, 17 or less. And it's just like, how do you do it? Well, they partner with our mocks out in Turkey. You know?
Yeah. Yep. And that's why the cost difference. I mean, don't get me wrong. You were telling me that it's $2,000. This, when the OA defense came out, I paid 28 plus custom milling optics that I had to get from someplace else, get brought in and some other work that I had done on it. And then the SSL fees and everything else, I'm getting over $3,000 to get that.
Yeah. And I think that that's the, that's the value proposition I always go to, um, because I've had people, uh, in my old channel give me crap when I would talk about value when reviewing firearms. And you can't take away the money side of it when when you get stuff like, for example, I love my staccato, but I had to buy the optic plate separately and it wasn't cheap.
So I had to get that elsewhere. That's another hundred plus dollars added on top of. What I paid for the gun or what it would go MSRP because I didn't pay full price. And then you look at like and I always keep talking about fusion. You go to fusion and you get two optic plates of your choice. And now they're going to be adding a delta point plate as well.
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Chapter 7: What big ideas are emerging for the gun world in 2026?
They used to, way back in the day when I was working at a – or running a gun counter at an outdoor store, SAR was a pretty big name. They did a lot of different stuff. They did a lot of shotguns before they brought – the SAR 9 was their first – or their second pistol that they imported. Their first one was –
like an XD clone type, goofy, horribly ugly backstrap safety on a polymer gun, weird thing. But they've been around for a long time. They've improved exponentially. When we first started getting their shotguns, we would get some with the front sight, you know, about at this angle on the barrel and stuff.
A couple other things, but ever since they started pushing the pistol world and they rebranded and changed, because they used to be SARS Lamaze. Yeah, they still are. Are they? Yeah, they still are. Just SAR for short. Yeah, it's still SARS Lamaze. It's just people call them SAR for short. Yeah. And they've come a long way. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. I'm going to kick two people any tributes.
I'm going to bring in Sensei and Vinny and see what they say.
You guys can dumb me off. I'll take it as tribute.
Okay. And just stick around. If we have space, we'll get you back on.
Okay.
Cool. Peace out. Got you. All right. Rob, you're going to get to stick around and listen to this mayhem of two biggins that got big opinions. Oh, I love it. Let's see what they got to say. One of them went to Vegas. Lou went to Vegas. He's also a staccato.
What's up, big man? What's up? Lou.
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Chapter 8: How are companies responding to market demands?
You know, they were able to create a secondary expansion chamber underneath of it to almost act as like a Venturi where like the gases go under and then back up. It's pretty innovative. That's that they can only get that done with 3D printing. So I'm not necessarily sure it's any cheaper, but SIG also the GTO isn't anywhere near as the same fit as a staccato either. That's about the same price.
I don't know. It's just the market we're in, man. The amount of 2011s that are out now, you can look at it two different ways. I don't know if it's really going to affect anything too much because We've seen it in the optic market, and I think my pseudo-father said it best, Modern Samurai Project, Scott Jablonski.
If Hollow Sun didn't exist, there'd only be Trijicons available, and those optics would be $1,600 because Hollow Sun is dramatically driving down the price of guns. So it could be the same issue where Staccato's looking around and they're like, maybe we gotta be a little bit more lenient, but At the same time, I would still pick a Staccato P over anything that's out right now, 2011-wise.
Even the new Kimber, all that other stuff, for the money.
It's the only one you're going to get hand-finished at that price point.
Well, I wouldn't even... There's a difference between hand-fitted... and hand finished. And I don't think staccato is no law. It's all CNC machine fit with, with, uh, with still some hand finishing involved, but it's not like they're doing any hand fitting of, of major parts because their process is so dialed in. Their parts are so good that everything goes together.
Now there might be an exception with like the XC and the XL lineup, but like their P's and C2s and shit. Um, it's just slide to frame fits so good. And like, that's the, the one interesting thing kind of piggyback off of what you were asking questions about the waltz nine was like my one gun that was like, I want that. Um, And Atlas Gunworks with their new business venture with Perfect Zero.
Oh, yeah.
The build kits?
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