America's Billion Dollar Spy: The Betrayal
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Welcome to the Forbidden History Podcast. Our Patreon is now live. Head over and become a forbidden historian to unlock brand new exclusive episodes. Thanks for supporting the show. It's January 1977, in the midst of the Cold War between the Soviet Union and the United States. And on the streets of Moscow, a 50-year-old Russian man called Adolf Tolkachev attempts to make contact with America's CIA.
Tolkachev first tried to reach the CIA in the late 1970s, and the way he did it, it's almost comical. He would approach American diplomats' cars in Moscow and slip notes inside them.
At first, the CIA wants nothing to do with this mysterious stranger. But he keeps coming back, relentless, impossible to ignore. When the CIA finally agreed to hear him out, they stumble into one of the greatest intelligence coups of the 20th century. A man whose information would become so valuable to the United States that he'd be known as the Billion Dollar Spy. To unpack this story, we'll be joined by former CIA officer Lindsey Moran, whose primary job was to spot and recruit foreigners willing to work with America's intelligence agency.
From a counterintelligence perspective, a walk-in is the perfect setup for a trap. He turned into the most productive human sources that the agency had ever handled.
Who was Adolf Tolkachev and why did he approach the CIA in 1977?
His contributions have been likened to billions of dollars in military advantage.
Welcome to the podcast series that explores the past's darkest corners, sheds light on the lives of intriguing individuals, and uncovers the truth buried deep in history's most controversial legacies. I'm Eric Myers, and this is Forbidden History. 1977 sits at a fragile moment in the Cold War. While in theory the world's two superpowers are at peace, in reality the Soviet Union's growing footprint in conflicts across the Third World is setting off alarm bells in Washington, while the Kremlin sees America's new President Jimmy Carter and his forceful emphasis of human rights as a direct challenge to Soviet legitimacy. And so, while the Cold War remains cold, beneath the surface, the war between spy agencies is very much a hot one.
Moscow is a pressure cooker of surveillance and suspicion. And it's into this atmosphere that Adolf Tolkachev steps, a man taking a great personal risk by making contact with the CIA.
it was incredibly dangerous for him to do this. I mean, Moscow then, and to this day, is one of the most heavily surveilled cities in the world. The KGB monitored embassy personnel constantly, their cars, their apartments, their social contacts. If a Soviet citizen was caught trying to pass information to an American, the consequences could have been, would have been catastrophic.
Tolkachev is not the only one taking a big risk by making contact. The CIA is alert to the possibility that the KGB could be playing a game of their own. The prospect of a trap is something Lindsay was all too aware of during her time with America's intelligence agency.
If an adversary wants to expose or compromise your officers, they can simply send someone pretending to be a defector or a volunteer spy. And I encountered this when I was a CIA officer. And when there was a walk-in, I always used an alias. I would use a disguise, not an elaborate disguise, but I would definitely use a disguise before handling a walk-in. And that's because we had no idea was this person showing up as a way to kind of flush out who are the intelligence officers. Walk-ins have to be handled with suspicion because there's always a case that someone pretending to be a defector is really just bait.
The CIA decide that the risk Tolkachev is a trap laid by their Soviet counterparts is simply too great, and so they ignore his approach. But Tolkachev is persistent. He attempts to make contact again. Once more, the CIA do not engage. He goes on to make three more approaches, and it's only on the 5th, in February 1978, that the CIA reconsiders.
In the case of Tolkachev, I think it's worth noting that he approached the CIA many times, and that both rose the suspicion at the CIA, but also was part of what made the CIA ultimately believe him.
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