Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is Fresh Air. I'm David Bianculli.
Chapter 2: What impact did Alfred Hitchcock's 'Psycho' have on cinema?
65 years ago, director Alfred Hitchcock shocked audiences and changed cinema forever with the release of his 1960 thriller movie, Psycho. It was a slasher film before that term existed and was based on a book by Robert Bloch. Hitchcock was attracted to the film because of the unexpected sudden murder of a central character early on.
Joe Stefano, who wrote the screenplay, preserved that central surprise, and so did Hitchcock. He cast movie star Janet Leigh in the role of a criminal on the run, then had her character stabbed to death in the shower after checking into a remote motel run by Norman Bates, played by Anthony Perkins.
Most of Psycho was photographed quickly and cheaply by the same crew Hitchcock used for his still-running TV anthology series, Alfred Hitchcock Presents. The budget for Psycho was $800,000, making it one of the most profitable films in Hollywood history. And one of the most influential, too.
Psycho elevated the suspense and murder genre to a higher level and has been copied, saluted, even remade by generations of subsequent movie makers. Today, we're going to hear from actress Janet Leigh, the star of Psycho. Well, the star for the first third of the movie, anyway. Terry spoke with her in 1999. Leigh wrote a memoir in 1995 about the making of Psycho.
They started with a clip from the film. Janet Leigh plays Marion Crane, who has stolen some money, is on the run, and has checked into the Bates Motel run by Anthony Perkins as a mild-mannered Norman Bates. He offers her a sandwich, they sit in the parlor eating, and he tells her about living with and caring for his invalid, mentally unstable mother.
Marion suggests he put his mother in an institution.
Have you ever seen the inside of one of those places? The laughing and the tears and the cruel eyes studying you. My mother there? But she's harmless. She's as harmless as one of those stuffed birds.
I am sorry. I only felt... It seems she's hurting you. I meant well.
People always mean well. They cluck their thick tongues and shake their heads and suggest oh so very delicately. Of course... I've suggested it myself, but I hate to even think about it. She needs me. It's not as if she were a maniac, a raving thing. She just goes a little mad sometimes. We all go a little mad sometimes. Haven't you?
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Chapter 3: How was Janet Leigh's character portrayed in 'Psycho'?
You knew if the camera was looking at your navel or looking at your head. Of course, yeah.
Because if it was looking at my navel, I could wear a bra and pants. In other words, I dressed according to where the shot was or undressed according to where the shot was.
Now, so the camera was looking at your navel. Did you feel, well, I don't have to particularly act in this shot. My face doesn't need to express anything because the camera won't see it.
That's not exactly true because it's amazing how your body has a tone, has a, I don't know, a reaction to it. I can't explain it, but if you're just bland, your body's going to be bland. But if you're feeling the terror and the effect of the blows and whatever, your body shows that. I don't think that you can sort of separate it.
Now, what kind of knife was Anthony Perkins using?
A big, long butcher knife.
Was it a retracting knife?
No, no, it didn't retract. It wasn't steel, however. I mean, it looked like steel, but believe me, it wasn't. Because what people forget is that we could not show penetration of a weapon. So you could never see the knife going in, so you couldn't use a retractable knife. I mean, it had no purpose.
what what you saw was you saw the the knife go back and lunge forward and then you showed the shot of either a you know the shoulder or the tongue or the thigh or whatever um and you in your mind imagined it going in there but you and then you saw it pull back and then you saw it go again but you never saw it enter the body because it's not was not allowed
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Chapter 4: What challenges did Janet Leigh face during the shower scene?
Or things like... I'll remember this always. When I described the scene to him where she goes up to the attic, I don't know if you recall the movie where there's been a big bird attack on the house and... They're all sitting around and Mitch is asleep in the chair and she's asleep in the other chair.
Chapter 5: What was the significance of the shower scene in 'Psycho'?
And she hears a sound. And she looks up, she leans over to Mitch and he doesn't hear her because he's asleep. And she grabs a flashlight and goes to investigate. And I'm describing the scene to him. And this to me, by the way, it didn't turn out to be this in the film itself. But in the screenplay, when she opens the door to that attic... There's every bird imaginable to mankind in that room.
I mean, there are hawks, there are eagles, there are seagulls, there are anything you could imagine is in that room. When her eyes pan that room, we see all the birds in the universe in that room and we know right at that moment that this is a unified attack against human beings and not something we're playing around with here in Bodega Bay. it didn't turn out that way.
In the film, he just used crows and seagulls. But I described the scene to him, and she goes up the stairs, and she hesitates, and then she opens the door, and all these birds are in there. And he was silent for a while, and then he said, let me see if I have this correctly, Evan. And I said, yeah. And he said, there's been this massive bird attack on the house. I said, yes, there has.
He said, and now she hears a sound, and Mitch is asleep, so she doesn't want to wake him up. So she goes to investigate by herself. Have I got that correct? I said, yes. He says, well, is the girl daft?
You know?
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Chapter 6: How did Hitchcock ensure the shock factor in 'Psycho'?
So I said, well, you know, I realized he had me. And he said, we'll take the curse off it. He said, we'll have her first go into the kitchen and spot the lovebirds in the cage. And this makes her feel a bit more complacent about it. And then we'll have her along the way open some other doors and she'll see that everything's okay.
And we'll lull the audience until she opens that final door and boom, there are all the birds.
Can you think of an example of a scene that Hitchcock added that you hadn't written?
Yes, there were many in the film. For example, the scene where Melanie is trapped in the phone booth, this is not in the screenplay at all, not at all. The scene ends, I don't know, the birds are chasing the children and everybody's running from the town, but it was Hitch who put her in that phone booth.
And Hitch who had all the birds smashing into the phone booth, picking up the metaphor of she being a bird in a gilded cage from the beginning of the film, and now she's back in the gilded cage in the phone booth. It was wonderful imagery and scary as hell. When they're battering the walls of that thing, you think they're going to get her.
The other nice thing about a phone booth is that she's enclosed, but it's also a transparent enclosure so you can see her through the glass.
And you can see everything that's happening. And you see people running and the one guy with blood all over his face almost trying to want to get in the phone booth. So it was a brilliant scene and not at all in the screenplay. Now, did you enjoy working with Hitchcock? Oh, yeah. Oh, he was wonderful. He was like the father every boy wished he could have.
He was, I think, approximately twice my age while we were working on the film, and in good health and good spirits, and told me many, many times that he felt he was entering the golden age of making films, his golden age of making films. He had just come off the success of Psycho, you have to understand, and was looking forward to Birds being an even bigger success.
But he was humorous, he was anecdotal, he was generous, with his time and with his patience. You know, I was the new kid on the block out there in many, many respects. And he took me under his wing, not to use a metaphor.
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