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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This week on NPR's Newsmakers, former First Lady Jill Biden. She reveals Joe Biden's 2024 debate performance was so alarming, doctors checked him after he got off the stage. I was terrified. I thought, oh my God, what's happening? Is this a stroke? What is this? Inside, the dramatic month that followed, leading to one of the biggest decisions of Biden's presidency, to walk away.
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This is Fresh Air. I'm TV critic David Bianculli. The 79th Annual Tony Awards are this Sunday, honoring the best of Broadway from the previous season of stage plays and musicals. To note the occasion, we're revisiting interviews with two dynamic Tony-winning stars from Broadway's past.
We'll hear from Angela Lansbury, a six-time Tony recipient, including for the musicals Mame, Gypsy, and Sweeney Todd, the Demon Barber of Fleet Street. And we'll start with Alan Cumming, who won a Tony for his role as the MC in the revival of Cabaret. Both of them had a major impact on the New York stage, yet both came from the UK, Angela Lansbury from England and Alan Cumming from Scotland.
Alan Cumming was born in 1965 and has been acting in television movies and the theater since the 1980s. As an actor, he's somewhat of a chameleon, shifting looks and accents to fit the occasion and the role. He played Hamlet on stage, a filmmaker in the Spice Girls movie, and the desk clerk in Stanley Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut.
He played Eli Gold in TV's The Good Wife and The Good Fight, the blue-skinned Nightcrawler in X2 X-Men United, and another blue-skinned character in the world of animation, providing the voice of Gutsy Smurf. And while he continues to be involved in the stage, he won a second Tony in 2022 as a producer of the musical A Strange Loop, he's now having lots of fun on television.
On the Emmy-winning Peacock reality competition series The Traitors, Alan Cumming hosts a group of guests assembled to solve a mystery. Which of those among them are secretly working against him? This show is set in a castle in Scotland, and Cumming, as the host, leans into the outrageousness of it all.
He wears kilts and flashy costumes, and whenever talking to the competitors on The Traitors, turns his Scottish brogue up to 11, as in this scene from the show's most recent season.
The first duty of society is justice, said Alexander Hamilton, and so here we are. Don't throw away your shot, players. The tear-stained pages of Traitor's history are filled with the blood of the innocent at this table.
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Chapter 2: What are the highlights of the upcoming Tony Awards?
And what a triumph it would be if you caught a traitor on the opening page. Look around you. Who at the table has your back?
And who would sooner stab you in it? At the Tonys this year, the most nominated musicals are The Lost Boys and Schmigadoon, each of which is up for 12 awards. Alan Cumming isn't in that Broadway production, but he did star in the original TV version of Schmigadoon in 2021 on television.
In the first season, which featured the same plot and characters now performed on Broadway, he played Mayor Menlove. And in the 2022 sequel, a take on darker musicals that was subtitled Welcome to Schmuckago, he played Dooley Blight, a butcher with a tragic past. It was a clear loving homage to the title character of Sweeney Todd.
And Alan Cumming is so good in it, I hope he gets to star in the next official Sweeney Todd revival. Listen. Listen.
There was a butcher who had a wife and daughter And a rich man who led them all like lambs to the slaughter He tried to take the butcher's wife When she refused he took her life Blamed the butcher for the crime And while he was doing time His daughter came of age Forced to perform upon the stage And to be clear In this scenario, the butcher is me.
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Chapter 3: Who are the Tony-winning stars featured in this episode?
But the rich man truly will pay for his sins. And this time duly will be the one who wins. For there's a debt that has yet to be repaid. So my course is set for the blood and the blade. And that death, sweet death, that will bring relief from the pain and the passion and the guilt and the grief. I'll heed thy call, tell them all.
Alan Cumming, of course, already has killed in one musical revival. On stage and in the movies, Joel Grey had originated the role of the Berlin MC at the Kit Kat Club, a den of debauchery surrounded by the rise of the Nazis in 1929 and 1930. He was great in that role, iconic even. Yet Alan Cumming has made it his own.
His cabaret revival originated at the Donmar Warehouse in England in 1993 and came to Broadway five years later.
Chapter 4: What makes Alan Cumming's portrayal of the emcee in Cabaret unique?
Sam Mendes directed, Rob Marshall provided the choreography, and Natasha Richardson co-starred as Sally Bowles, the role played in the original 1966 Broadway production and 1972 film by Liza Minnelli. Years later, he appeared in a revival of the revival, opposite such very diverse yet equally dazzling Sallys as Michelle Williams and Emma Stone.
Let's hear how Alan Cummings sounded in the 2014 Roundabout Theatre production, the same company that had produced the 1998 Tony Award-winning production.
Ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen. Good evening! How are you? I am your host! Welcome! Welcome!
Ellen Cumming, welcome back to Fresh Air. And congratulations. You're so wonderful in the show. It's so terrific.
Thank you, Teddy.
Thank you. Thank you for coming. You've said, I think, that this revival was your birthday present to yourself. What does that mean? Did you initiate the idea of reviving it again?
No, no, I didn't. But it was Sam Mendes who called me up a few years ago. And I mean, there's been sort of various attempts to redo it or to put it on since it ended. I mean, I finished I did it for a year from 98 to 99.
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Chapter 5: How does Alan Cumming describe his character's evolution over the years?
And it actually finished, I think, in 2004 on Broadway. But anyway, so a few years ago, Sam said, you know, I think it's a good time. the rights are going to be up, and so therefore someone else will do it, and the state wants us to do our production again,
And I just sort of thought it would be, and the thing about the birthday is that I'm 49, and so I'll be 50 in January, January 27th next year. And so in my 50th year, I am singing and dancing in a Broadway musical, and I'm dancing a kick line with girls who are 24. And so that was kind of the birthday present to myself, that I would be hitting 50, doing things that I couldn't do when I was 25.
Oh, that is nice. You couldn't kick like that, or you just didn't have the opportunity?
I was so out of shape and unfit when I was 25. I think even when I did it 15 years ago, I wasn't as fit as I am now.
So why do you love doing the role?
Well, I mean, just on a day-to-day, going to work and doing that, it's such fun. It's so kind of energetic, and it just takes up every single... element of being an actor. Your body is used to its capacity both physically, vocally and emotionally as well.
But also in a kind of larger way, I think it's a really important show in that the reason it's done again, the reason we're doing it again is that it has something to say, you know, it's about the rise of Nazism and the fact that if you're not incredibly vigilant, oppression of some kind can slowly creep up and take over. And I think
that the way that the show is like fun and you say, oh, it's sexy and they're hilarious. And then you slowly, it slowly goes dark. You as an audience member have kind of become complicit in that. And that sort of mirrors the way that you see Nazism creeping in and people think, oh, it'll be fine. Don't worry. Nothing's, you know, it'll go away. And then slowly it doesn't and it's too late.
I would like you to describe your character physically, what you're wearing, what your hair looks like.
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Chapter 6: What insights does Angela Lansbury share about her role in Sweeney Todd?
I've always felt I was bisexual. I used to be married to a woman. Before that, I'd had a relationship with a man. I then... I had another relationship with a woman, and since then I've had relationships with men.
But I still would define myself as bisexual, partly because that's what I feel, but also because I think it's important to... I think that sexuality in this country especially is seen as a very black and white thing, and I think we should encourage the grey sex.
You know, I mean, I don't kind of go around in my life thinking, oh my God, I'm going to have to have sex with a woman soon because I said I was bisexual.
Chapter 7: How did Angela Lansbury's career span across different media?
That's just, I just, that's what I feel inside. It's like saying you're straight or you're gay or you're bisexual. It's just what you are. And whatever you're doing in your life is almost, it runs obviously parallel, but it's kind of secondary to how you are inside.
Chapter 8: What themes are explored in the musical Sweeney Todd?
And so that's how I've always felt. And I still do, even though, you know, I, um, I'm very happily married to a really amazing man and I wish to be so for the rest of my life. The other thing is that the coming out thing, in 1998, when I came to America, there was such a huge explosion of interest in the show and in me and I,
I hadn't really, you know, I was kind of well-known in Britain, but I hadn't really ever discussed my sexuality in a public way like that. And because of playing this character and all the kind of slight, you know, puritanical... shockwaves that were sending around America, a lot of people were just constantly, constantly, constantly asking me about it.
And so I decided to take matters into my own hand and I did an interview and a cover story for Out magazine and I thought that was a good forum for it to be discussed calmly and adultly. And so I did that. So it was kind of as a result of all the speculation. But it was really funny. I remember people saying, so, the first question in an interview for some weighty tome would be, so, are you gay?
And I would go, why, do you fancy me? And then go, oh, no, just someone in my office was asking. I was like, oh, really? Well, you know, I thought, really, is that the most important thing? And sometimes it is the most important thing because people can't, if people don't have a black and white answer, they can't get it.
beyond that and so you have to kind of I think you just got to get out of the way and that's what I did and it wasn't like I it's one of those things when you become famous and people are more interested in your personal life often than your work it's a weird thing because you think oh I seem to be sleeping with more boys now should I do a press release you know it's a really difficult one to know when to announce
Alan Cumming speaking with Terry Gross in 2014. He starred as the emcee in Cabaret three times, in a 1993 London production, in 1998 where he won a Tony for his performance, and again in a 2014 revival. Coming up, we'll hear more from Alan Cumming. And we'll hear from another world-class Tony Award winner, Angela Lansbury.
She earned six Tony Awards over her lifetime, including for her performances as Mama Rose in the Broadway production of Gypsy and the pie shop owner Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd. More after a break. I'm David Bianculli, and this is Fresh Air.
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