Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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This is Fresh Air. I'm Terry Gross. My guest Ethan Hawke has just been nominated for a Best Actor Oscar for his starring role playing lyricist Lorenz Hart in the movie Blue Moon. It's his fifth nomination. The others were for Supporting Actor and for Adapted Screenplays. Hawk had other roles in 2025. He starred in the horror film Black Phone 2 as a serial killer who haunts people's dreams.
And he starred in the FX series The Lowdown, a loving but humorous take on film noir created by Sterling Harjo, who also directed Hawk in an episode of the popular series Reservation Dogs. The Lowdown has been renewed for a second season. I spoke with Ethan Hawke in November.
He had also just completed a new documentary called Highway 99, a double album, about country music star, songwriter, singer, and guitarist Merle Haggard. That film is expected to be released sometime this year. Hawke was in his early teens when he made his first film, Explorers, co-starring River Phoenix, who was about the same age.
Hawke was in his late teens when he co-starred in Dead Poets Society, which starred Robin Williams. Hawk seems to have done it all, a child star who survived the experience intact, an Oscar and Tony-nominated actor, a documentary filmmaker, and a novelist. Let's start with a clip from Blue Moon, directed by Richard Linklater.
It's set on the night of the opening of Oklahoma, the first musical that Hart's longtime songwriting partner Richard Rogers wrote with another lyricist, Oscar Hammerstein. There's an after-party at Sardi's where theater people would go on opening night and wait until the reviews came out. Rogers had moved on because Hart had been drinking too much and was no longer a reliable partner.
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Chapter 2: What challenges did Ethan Hawke face while playing Lorenz Hart?
In this scene, Rogers talks with Hart at the party. Hart's trying to convince Rogers to collaborate on a satirical musical about Marco Polo. Rogers is played by Andrew Scott, Ethan Hawke as Hart speaks first.
I mean, Marco Polo's gonna be a show about joy, but a hard-earned joy, an unsentimental joy. Something wrong with sentimental? What? It's too easy. Oklahoma's too easy? The guy actually getting the girl in the end is too easy? You've just eliminated every successful musical comedy ever written, Larry. It's too easy for me. Did you hear the audience tonight? Yes.
1,600 people didn't think it was too easy. And tell me 1,600 people are wrong. I'm just saying that you and I can do something so much more emotionally complicated. We don't have to pander to what's easy. Oh, I was going to say, you're pandering? No, I didn't say that. Irving Berlin is pandering? I love Berlin. White Christmas is pandering? Well, I don't believe White Christmas.
Okay.
Well, maybe audiences have changed. Well, they still love to laugh. They want to laugh, but not in that way. In what way? In your way. They want to laugh, but they also want to cry a little. They want to know. They want to feel.
Ethan Hawke, welcome to Fresh Air and congratulations on all the new work you've been doing. I've been really enjoying it. You said that making Blue Moon stretched you and the director Richard Linklater to like the boundaries of your abilities. What made it so hard for you and so different?
Well, first off, I guess the emotional complexity. I mean, there's the verbiage. Larry Hart is at this opening night party, and it's kind of like he feels if he ever stops talking, he's going to be shot and killed. And so he just cannot stop talking.
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Chapter 3: What is the significance of the documentary 'Highway 99' to Ethan Hawke?
So there was the amount of text I had to learn. There's the complication... He's incredibly... What is it? It's called the correlation of opposites. He's two things simultaneously all the time. He is incredibly jealous, and he's incredibly happy and proud of his friend. He's gay and in love with a woman.
He's the most diminutive, smallest person in the room, and he's the biggest personality in the room. The whole experience of making it... I felt I was being asked to play two things at the same time, which is, of course, why I want to do it. It was wonderful and it was like the way real people are. But it's challenging.
Every now and then you do, you bump up against a part that presses you to the wall of your ability. And you know you can never be as good as the part is demanding of you.
Chapter 4: How did Ethan Hawke cope with the loss of River Phoenix?
And that's a kind of thrilling spot to be in.
So you're playing someone who thinks that their height, their hair makes them really ugly and unappealing. Plus he's gay and he has to hide that from the public.
Well, it was illegal in 1943. Yeah. So he does have to hide it.
No, absolutely. Right, right. So in a way, like talking all the time is a distraction from all the things that he thinks are – uh unappealing about him and he's also very short i think he's like five feet or under you're you're pretty tall and you had to have a comb over for it which is literally not attractive so um you had to feel very much not like yourself
Well, it was interesting. I was being directed by a man who's directed me, and this is our ninth film collaboration. So he knows every trick in my toolbox. And he was really asking me to disappear. He just wanted me to be Larry Hart. And so...
even the man has spent years of his life editing my performances so anytime he would see me he would say i saw you i saw you i saw you and he was i saw you ethan hawke and not larry and not larry and so the physical things are kind of you know they're kind of easy they're superficial ultimately if they don't unlock the soul of the man right um Anybody can shave their head and do a comb over.
But it was really the soul of a person who's loathing themselves, and at the same time, thinks they're smarter than everybody else. And his intellect is his only power. His pride in his work is his only self-worth. And that is being stripped from him on this night.
I mean, imagine if you only worked with one other person for 25 years and you achieved incredible heights and this person now doesn't want to work with you anymore. So it's truly heartbreaking for him because I think he's smart enough to know that the world is changing. We're in the middle of the war.
The Jazz Age is being left behind, something new is happening, and he's not going to be a part of it. And he feels a titanic plate shifting, you know, and he's being sent away to Antarctica or something. I mean, that's what I think he feels.
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Chapter 5: What insights does Ethan Hawke share about aging and self-worth?
I'm very aware of how many people mentored me and cared for me, and am I doing that for others? Am I meeting my responsibilities as a citizen, not just as a father, which is obvious and omnipresent in my life? Those questions are on my mind all the time. Then there's this other voice, which is, am I enjoying my life?
because I do want to enjoy it too and how much of this work that I'm obsessed with is eroding my sense of play and joy and spontaneity and living and being in the moment and it is strange the older you get I have no awareness of wisdom I only have awareness of how many things I thought I understood that I don't understand and And more questions come in the door. And that's kind of exciting.
What do you think?
Well, about aging, I mean, there comes a moment when you realize you're not the young person anymore. And then how people look at you changes as you get older.
You know, I'm an actor, right? So I have a talent agent. And I remember being really proud of myself. At one time I noticed I was the youngest client they had.
Mm-hmm.
And I was kind of proud of that. And now often I'm the oldest person in the room. You know, I did this movie Black Phone 2 and there's all these young people around and they're looking at me and talking to me as if I know something. And I'm not positive that I do.
Well, we have to take another break, so I'm going to reintroduce you again. If you're just joining us, my guest is Ethan Hawke, and among the new things he's starring in are Blue Moon, about lyricist Larry Hart, and the Sterling Harjo take on film noir, which is called The Lowdown. We'll be right back after a short break. I'm Terry Gross, and this is Fresh Air. I want to ask you a
But he grew just really disillusioned with the life he was leading, performing all the time, traveling. And he gave it up after years as a performer and decided that his calling was teaching as a private teacher to very talented pianists. And he's also very wise. You met him at a dinner party and you'd asked him a couple of pretty profound questions and he gave you interesting answers.
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Chapter 6: How does Ethan Hawke describe his collaboration with Richard Linklater?
But getting out of the moment and thinking about who was in the audience that made you lose your train of thought as your character, that's what made you freak out where you were in the monologue, right? Exactly, yeah. Yeah. Well, it's time to take another break, so let me reintroduce you.
My guest is Ethan Hawke, and he stars in the movie Blue Moon about Larry Hart, and he also stars in the streaming series The Lowdown. We'll be right back. This is Fresh Air. So when you were talking to Seymour Bernstein about the second half of your life and what do you want from it? And you were saying like, if I don't have like a religious calling and yeah.
And I was wondering, why did you mention religious calling? Did you ever think that is what you wanted?
Yes. And I think I was, as a young person, I was thinking that a certain, oh, discipline, religious discipline could lend order to my life. You know, whether I loved a lot of the great Catholic writers and I love a lot of the great Buddhist writers and I was... constantly hoping that their discipline could work for me and give me guidance and direction and orientation in my life.
But I kept struggling with it. And I would struggle to stay on that path. And finally, it was my oldest daughter who realized, Dad, you got to stop struggling. You have your path. Your path is the arts. And your discipline is manifest in your life as an actor. That is your religious calling.
That sounds pretentious perhaps on a radio show, but it's even true in a scary movie or in a silly noir set in Tulsa. You're celebrating people and life and humanity and what we're up against. And that has faith attached to it.
You were raised as Episcopalian. Your mother taught Sunday school. And you actually went on missions over the summer. And in an earlier interview we did, you described your missionary work not as proselytizing, but as like free labor.
Yeah.
helping people build latrines and build roofs. And you did that in Kentucky and West Virginia and the back haulers. And one summer you went to Haiti and worked with Mother Teresa's order in the House of the Dying. Can you describe the House of the Dying? What was that exactly?
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