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For Cameron Crowe, Being 'Uncool' Is A Badge Of Honor

27 Oct 2025

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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15.59 - 32.721 Terry Gross

This is Fresh Air. I'm Terry Gross. My guest Cameron Crowe is known for writing the screenplay for Fast Times at Ridgemont High and writing and directing Say Anything, Jerry Maguire, Vanilla Sky, and Almost Famous, for which he won an Oscar for Best Screenplay.

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It's the story of a 15-year-old who in 1973 manages to become a rock critic and somehow get backstage interviews with important musicians. By the age of 16, he's published in Rolling Stone and even writes a cover story. As improbable as that may sound, it's based on Crowe's own life as a teenage music writer. His new memoir, The Uncooled, © BF-WATCH TV 2021

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78.061 - 95.709 Terry Gross

Let's start with a clip from early on in Almost Famous. The Cameron Crowe character, William, is about 11, listening to an argument between his mother, played by Frances McDormand, and his older sister, played by Zooey Deschanel. The mother speaks first. You've been kissing.

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No, I haven't.

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Yes, you have.

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No, I haven't.

Chapter 2: What inspired Cameron Crowe to write 'The Uncool'?

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Yes, you have. I can tell. You can't tell. Not only can I tell, I know who it is. It's Daryl.

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What you got under your coat? It's unfair that we can't listen to our music. It's because it is about drugs and promiscuous sex. Simon and Garfunkel is poetry. Yes, it's poetry. It is the poetry of drugs and promiscuous sex.

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Honey, they're on pot.

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First it was butter, then it was sugar and white flour, bacon, eggs, bologna, rock and roll, motorcycles. Then it was celebrating Christmas on a day in September when you knew it wouldn't be commercialized.

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Chapter 3: How did Cameron Crowe become a rock critic at such a young age?

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What else are you going to ban?

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Honey, you want to rebel against knowledge. I'm trying to give you the cliff notes on how to live life in this world.

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We're like nobody else I know.

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149.864 - 166.708 Terry Gross

Cameron Crowe, welcome back to Fresh Air. It's a pleasure to talk with you again. Thanks, Terry. Was your mother at all like the Frances McDormand character and how unusual she was and how opposed to rock and roll? Even Simon and Garfunkel, who she probably hadn't even heard yet.

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167.363 - 177.445 Cameron Crowe

Well, first of all, hearing that clip, it's uncanny how much Frances McDormand is my mother. I mean, the dialogue was straight out of our family and our home.

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I'm just going to interrupt by saying your mother died, I think it was last year.

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She died in 2019.

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2019, yeah.

186.171 - 198.94 Cameron Crowe

On September 11th. Born on the 4th of July and passed away on September 11th, two days before Almost Famous, the musical, opened in San Diego. So it was a dramatic exit from the earth, from my mom.

Chapter 4: What role did Crowe's mother play in his early music experiences?

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I started to see a dynamic that was so human that it was kind of beyond what I'd been able to see as a high school student, for example, when my mom had skipped me two grades and later three. I didn't have a lot of friends, but somehow... Because you were much younger than your fellow students, your classmates. But then, you know, somebody like Chris Christopherson...

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deigns to give me an interview and tries to sneak me into a bar where I'm underage. And then when we get caught, he says, well, I'll sit out here in this big red leatherette chair and I'll do my interview with you as fans and people stream by. He treated me like an adult. and talk to me about the power of movies and music and all the stuff that ended up speaking to me so strongly later.

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677.258 - 690.205 Cameron Crowe

But as a young guy, you're kind of in this position where, you know, this person is allowing me to ask them whatever I want to about music that I love. It was a blissful time, and I still love writing about it.

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691.248 - 716.428 Terry Gross

So how did you manage to convince anybody that at the age of 15, still in high school, that you were worthy of being taken seriously, that your opinions were informed enough and deep enough, went deep enough to be a spokesperson for whether this album was good or not, or should be worthy of talking to a band?

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717.117 - 741.353 Cameron Crowe

I'm just laughing because so much of it was just where I lived. We lived in San Diego, and San Diego is not a primary market. San Diego usually happens at the end of a tour after a band or an artist has been in, you know, San Francisco, L.A., New York. Big reviews they had to worry about. San Diego, it's like, it's surfers, you know, so...

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They would just be partying early for the end of their tour a lot of times. And so here's a kid that comes to the door with a notebook full of questions based on the music that nobody was really asking them about in the hands of an older journalist. Here's some guy with an orange bag full of cassettes, like, ready to talk to you about your album Aqualung.

761.322 - 782.732 Cameron Crowe

You know, they're like, get that kid in here. Come on, we're bored. Let him ask us those questions. And so many of the bands... were just nice to me because they were bored in San Diego. And I got to tell you, going back and listening to a lot of those interviews because I kept everything, they really talked to me. They really opened up.

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And that informed the life I was lucky enough to have later as a writer and a director in movies because I knew how people spoke. I transcribed all my interviews myself, so I knew that people don't talk elegantly when but they can pour their heart out in half sentences. So it was really one big magic carpet ride of learning about people. And it started early. I'm a lucky guy.

812.967 - 837.044 Terry Gross

So Philip Seymour Hoffman plays Lester Bangs in Almost Famous. And I want to play a scene where he gives you some very interesting advice. But first I want to explain who Lester Bangs is. I mean, he was a really eccentric guy and such strong feelings and unwavering in his confidence, in his opinions about what was great and what was garbage. Oh, yeah.

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