Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is Fresh Air. I'm David Bianculli.
Chapter 2: What inspired Guillermo del Toro's adaptation of Frankenstein?
Guillermo del Toro's film Frankenstein is nominated for nine Academy Awards, including Best Picture, Supporting Actor, Cinematography, Original Score, and Adapted Screenplay. Del Toro wrote and directed this new reimagining of Frankenstein, which takes inspiration from the 1931 film Frankenstein, one of the most enduring horror monster films, and from Mary Shelley's 1818 novel Frankenstein.
In Del Toro's movie, the final part of the story is told from the creature's point of view. Here's a clip from it, in which the creature, played by Oscar nominee Jacob Elordi, is shot and left for dead by hunters.
There was silence again, and then, merciless silence. How long did I die for? I do not know. But I saw my injuries healed. The cold winter air stung in my lungs. I felt lonelier than ever. Because for every man there was but one remedy to all pain. Death.
Chapter 3: How does del Toro's film differ from previous adaptations of Frankenstein?
A gift you too had denied me.
Some of the themes of del Toro's new film echo themes with which he's been obsessed for years. Misunderstood creatures, men who behave like monsters, father-son relationships, religion, empathy, cruelty, misguided scientific experiments that take a terrible turn.
Also, what del Toro describes as the uneasy truce between science and religion, machine and man, and the realization that you are inescapably alone. His other movies include Pan's Labyrinth, The Shape of Water, which won four Oscars, including Best Picture and Best Director, Nightmare Alley, a reimagining of Pinocchio filmed in stop-motion animation, and two Hellboy films.
A significant event in del Toro's life was the kidnapping of his father in Mexico. After del Toro helped raise a million-dollar ransom, his father was released. In Del Toro's Frankenstein, Oscar Isaac plays Dr. Victor Frankenstein, the surgeon who wants to create new life, a new man built out of body parts from the newly dead.
The creature he makes is played by Jacob Elordi, who's best known for co-starring in Euphoria, and who also played Elvis Presley in the movie Priscilla. His newest role is as Heathcliff, opposite Margot Robbie as Kathy, in the new movie version of Wuthering Heights. Del Toro grew up in Guadalajara, Mexico, and has been living in L.A. since the late 90s.
Guillermo del Toro, welcome to Fresh Air. Congratulations on your new film, which brings together so much of your other work. And I know it's a dream come true for you to do your own version of Frankenstein. You first saw the movie, the 1931 movie, which is totally different from the book and your new movie. But that movie really had a hold on you. Tell us why it had such meaning for you.
Well, it was curiously enough, on a Sunday after Catholic Mass, we came back home and then we would watch horror movies on Channel 6 all day. And it was the first time I saw Frankenstein. And the moment Boris Karloff crossed the threshold, I had an epiphany. I had a St. Paul on the road to Damascus kind of experience.
I realized I understood my faith or my dogmas better through Frankenstein than through Sunday Mass. I saw the resurrection of the flesh, the Immaculate Conception, ecstasy, stigmata. Everything made sense, and I decided at age seven that the creature of Frankenstein was going to be my personal avatar and my personal messiah.
It was a really profound transformation, and it made an impression that lasted my whole life.
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Chapter 4: What themes from Frankenstein resonate with del Toro's personal experiences?
And the answer, basically, of God is, why not?
It's very comforting the way you put it.
Well, that's the way God put it. He says, who are you to question my wisdom? You were not there when I created the world, basically.
When we talked a few years ago, you mentioned that your grandmother, who was very Catholic, exercised you. Not exercised, but as in an exorcism. She exercised you twice.
Yeah, with the holy water, yeah.
Did you feel like people saw you as unholy and a sacrilege in the same way that people see the creature in Frankenstein? And even Pinocchio, when Pinocchio was kind of rowdy in church, because he's never been there before, he doesn't understand what church is, the people in the church call him unholy and a sacrilege.
Well, you know, I'm very used to not fitting. I'm always looking through the window. into the world, a little bit with a set of thoughts and a set of principles and ideas that don't necessarily conform. My grandmother was in great pain that I would draw monsters all day. I would talk about the Bible, asking questions that were maybe too poignant, but we loved each other. salient in my movies.
No matter how different we were, we can love each other. And that is, again, in Frankenstein. There's Frankenstein in all my movies, from Kronos all the way to Pinocchio. Every single movie, I hesitate to think of one that doesn't have elements of it.
You could say in some ways that the creature in Frankenstein is like artificial intelligence because he's created by man but then lives on its own and can destroy man without even understanding quite what he's doing. So what are your thoughts about AI and did that kind of inform the movie in any way?
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Chapter 5: How does del Toro's childhood influence his filmmaking?
And if the breathing ceased even for two seconds, I would be jolted and take a look to see if she was okay. And that stayed with me for many decades. I don't fear it anymore. I don't fear that anymore. I feel losing people, yes. But me, I'm not afraid of dying, I hope. You know, really, Terry, all this... Great questions. You know when they get resolved?
Right when the lights flutter and you are no longer a director or a general or a pope. Right when you become just you and the lights are flickering out, that's when you realize what you did or didn't do in your life. And that's the most momentous thing anyone can experience. And you can go with great agitation or great peace.
We were talking earlier about the Book of Job.
Yes.
You asked your cast to read the Book of Job.
Yes, and the Tao.
What did you want them to take from it?
Because ultimately that's the plea of the creature, too. The plea of the creature is why. Why did this thing happen to me? And the answer comes at the end. The final image of the film is... what tells you what we can do. I mean, acceptance is so profound. You know, we are building a culture in which we have the idea of what things should be.
And when they don't happen, you can feel frustrated, rebel against them. But at the end of the day, they are what they are. Marty Scorsese tackled the same sort of question in The Irishman. And the answer is very, very beautiful. He says, it is what it is. You know, that's the book of Job. It is what it is. The Tao says all pain comes from desire, which is absolutely true.
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