The Mind Control Doctor: Jolly West & MK-ULTRA’s Missing Link
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This is Believe.
Welcome to another episode of Fringe Beyond Limits.
Hi, guys. Hi. Hi.
We have something special.
So special.
Lynette and I are in studio together.
What?
Bree decided to stay home.
It is a school night.
It is a school night.
Yeah, and with all the construction going on right now, it takes me almost two hours to get to your house now.
No kidding, like leaving the airport. When I told you I landed, because we were supposed to record yesterday, I landed at 2.30.
Oh, jeez.
I didn't even make it from Chicago to Naperville by like 4. When did I take you? Yeah, it was like 4.20. 4.20. Between like the major accidents and the construction, no way Jose, it was a mess. Yeah. So glad I left the state.
Usually it's like 45 minutes to an hour to get to Frank's from my house, depending on rush hour traffic. But with the rush hour traffic plus the construction now, it's like anywhere between like an hour and 45 to almost two hours.
Yuck. You just have to go around it.
Go to Indiana. Yeah.
I go around it.
It's still going to take just as long because I'm going around it.
Go up to Rockford and then shoot all the way around.
Yeah.
It's going to take the exact same amount of time. All the way to Iowa.
Right.
Come back. Right. Yeah.
That's fine.
Mess.
Well, yeah. I just got back from Arizona.
Where's your tan?
You left it there? I did. I was not out in the sun very much at all. Even though it's a dry heat, it was in the upper 90s.
I'm so jealous.
I am not. So I decided I can live there if it wasn't so brown. Yeah. You know, so with it being so brown, I'm like, I, you know, it's like, it's like February here in Chicago. Everything's just gray.
Yeah.
Yeah. It was just there. But that's like all the time, all brown. Right. So, but the dry heat really didn't bother me as much as I thought it was going to.
Well, you're also not in like August, July or August.
Yeah, right, right. But yeah, so that was fun. So happy wedding to Michaela and Anthony.
Congratulations.
Yeah. Congrats. I will say they are probably the happiest bride and groom I have ever seen at a wedding. Okay. I mean, like it was just, it was just so fun to see them in their element and just like truly, truly just having fun and not caring. I like that. Yeah. It was very nice. It was very, very nice. So congrats to them. Uh, what about you ladies?
I'm in Illinois.
Yes, you are.
All right.
I'm here for Mother's Day, and my grandma turns 96 this year. Happy birthday, Grandma. Happy birthday, Grams.
Wow.
The good old 96. Yeah.
Yeah. You know, I like the reverse of those two numbers. Oh, yeah. I mean.
Sure you do.
Yeah. So, Bree, anything fun, exciting to add? Nope. All right. Well said. As of this recording, I'm five days away from surgery where they will turn me into a woman. Yep. You're going to talk like this? I hope so. And I hope I get bigger boobs.
Oh, you can talk like a robot.
No.
That would be cool if you can ask for like a vocal cord implant while they're in there. Yeah.
Oh, agreed. What voice would you go with? Christopher Walken.
I had a feeling you were going to say that.
Yeah, yeah. I would never not stop talking like that.
But what if you could have like Dave Matthews' voice and then you could just sing to yourself?
Yeah, no, I'm Christopher Walken. Okay. Yeah, no, no. I can listen to Dave whenever I want, but I can only talk like Christopher Walken one time. All right. I only got one chance. So, yeah, that's what I would do. It would make the podcast a lot better. Imagine Christopher Walken narrating all this.
Right? This would be amazing. We'd have more like six listeners instead of like two.
We would get into the teens.
We might actually be ranked number one.
Yeah, we would get into the teens. Number one. Yeah. We're zero in the ratings, but number one in my heart. Chris Twofer. That's what you would. Chris Twofer.
Well, just because it's not the real one. He's number two. Okay.
Chris Twofer. I can't do it, but I wish I could. Yeah. all right so tonight we have a uh extension yeah of a probably an ongoing saga of of a topic right like nk ultra we just can't get enough i know brie how what are your feelings on nk ultra
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