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Global News Podcast

Anthropic: AI could escape human control

05 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 3.659 Alex Ritson

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36.025 - 41.982 Alex Ritson

This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service.

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44.142 - 73.522 Alex Ritson

Olen Alex Ritson ja viikon 5. juni. Nämä ovat meidän mainitsemat. Yksi USA-artifikaalaisen tietokoneen johtajan, Anthropic, on huomannut, että AI-järjestelmät voivat myöhemmin kehittyä ilman ihmisten autoa. Presidentin Putinin käsittely russiallisessa ekonomisessa on esillä St. Petersburgin järjestelmällä. Ja Mali on vahvistamassa motosikloja ulkomaalaisissa alueissa, jotta he voivat vahvistaa islamistisen militiaa.

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75.935 - 97.18 Alex Ritson

Also in this podcast. We are talking for a project that will be built inside one of the most important coastal wetlands and it's part of the protected area. Why a massive coastal development project linked to Jared Kushner, the son-in-law of US President Donald Trump, is facing mounting resistance from protesters in Albania.

101.045 - 140.127 Alex Ritson

Aloitamme huomioon rapidaa edistämätöntä yliopistossa. Antropiikka, suurin AI-kehitys, joka on kuitenkin tiedossa kloodissa, sanoo, että sen viimeisimmät ja suurimmat järjestelmät ovat aloittaneet näyttämään, että ne voivat vahvistaa ihmisen kontrollia. Se sanoo, että AI-modelleja on vahvistettavaa, jolla he opettavat itseään. He's been speaking to the BBC's Faisal Islam.

140.431 - 158.808 Jack Clark

Right now it's like the AI industry has a gas pedal, but it doesn't have a brake pedal in the car. And what we're saying is we want to do some of the work required to build that brake pedal so we in the world have an option. It's not obvious today that you want to do that, but absolutely, as you say, at some point in the future you might say...

158.808 - 170.637 Jack Clark

Let's get all of the benefits we can for biology and medical research, and let's take a pause or take a moment on AI research, where we can absorb the societal changes implied by this.

171.008 - 190.634 Alex Ritson

A number of Silicon Valley AI companies are raising tens of billions of dollars, including yourself, at valuations of a trillion dollar plus. And some argue that these are sort of great narratives that help you sell your kit to the world's biggest companies and walk away with these epic valuations.

Chapter 2: What concerns does Anthropic raise about AI escaping human control?

190.685 - 212.639 Jack Clark

No, kaikki, mitä voin sanoa, on, että olen isä, toinen lapseni. Tulein takaisin vanhemmista, ja minun reaktioni oli, että jotain todella tärkeää tapahtuu täällä, ja meidän täytyy kertoa maailmalle. Tämä on osa meidän yksityiskohtaisuutemme, että kertoa maailmalle, mitä näemme näissä yrityksissä tällaisella ongelmallisella teknologialla. Se on motivaatio tästä. Onko sinä miettinyt, jos tämä viesti ei saada ulos?

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212.926 - 240.854 Jack Clark

I'm not worried for my kids if this message doesn't get out. I am worried for my kids if we as a society don't have a serious conversation about what the implications of AI's continued advances mean. They're going to mean that there are potentially great benefits. There are also risks. They are also going to change things about society. And they are going to need to change aspects of policy. And we have to have that conversation. So I think the story is generally any profession is now going to be able to work with

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240.854 - 266.504 Jack Clark

AI systems and change how work happens as a consequence, which also means any single profession has some potential for AI to come in and augment or automate different types of work. And we're trying to measure that. Right now there aren't clear measures that say that augmentation or automation is happening at large scale, but clearly that's the implication of this, and we're trying to share data about it so that we can see if this shows up in the broader economies.

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266.504 - 286.822 Alex Ritson

One last question. Your advice for a confused young person thinking that the jobs that they had set sail to try and get, that they are simply not going to exist, and they're watching instead the share options of Silicon Valley, kind of go to the moon, and thinking, what am I going to do? Am I even going to have a career? What should they do?

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287.007 - 315.813 Jack Clark

Develop a hobby. Anyone who has a hobby has something that they're passionate about and that they know more about than most people. And with that hobby you can have curiosity, you can have ideas, and you can use that to really get the most out of these AI systems. And I am sure turn that into amazing jobs, jobs that don't even exist yet. And it requires you to experiment with the systems and have that curiosity. So that's my message. But like, you know, three years ago you'd have said become a software coder. And that would have been...

316.167 - 341.615 Jack Clark

Wrong, yeah? Well, I never would have said that. I have a liberal arts background. I would have always said go into the liberal arts because my experience has been people that are creative and people that can think broadly, people that read a lot, people that have interests are the ones most benefited by this. Indulge in curiosity and it pays back in how you can use this technology. But become a philosopher. Well, yeah, I think it's a great time for philosophers. We've just hired a whole bunch of them here.

342.155 - 383.38 Alex Ritson

Faisal Islam puhuu Jack Clarkista. The team at Cambridge University fed the genetic codes of a range of coronaviruses into an AI tool, producing a so-called super antigen. If the trials prove to be successful, the vaccine could help prevent future pandemics. The BBC's health correspondent James Gallagher explains the significance beginning his report from a Covid vaccine factory.

383.38 - 408.541 Alex Ritson

These Covid vaccines saved lives during the pandemic, but they had to be developed after the virus had spread and needed to be updated once Covid started to mutate. This team at the University of Cambridge has tried something different. They took the genetic blueprint of multiple coronaviruses related to the one that caused Covid and then let artificial intelligence work on the vaccine design.

408.541 - 436.638 Alex Ritson

It produced one that might give broad protection against a range of these viruses, even if they mutate or a new one emerges. They say this is the first time a vaccine's key component has been designed by artificial intelligence and then tested in safety trials in people. We've done a trial that shows for the first time that we can use an AI vaccine antigen that's safe.

Chapter 3: What is the current state of the Russian economy according to President Putin?

753.128 - 773.446 Alex Ritson

A few days before the forum, Kyiv launched a major drone attack that hit the outskirts of St. Petersburg, which also happens to be President Putin's place of birth. It was also a stark reminder that the war with Ukraine still continues. Russia editor Steve Rosenberg spoke to Mr. Putin's special envoy Kirill Dmitriev.

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773.446 - 801.391 Kirill Dmitriev

and started by asking him about the current state of diplomacy to end the conflict, and whether meetings with the American envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner were on the back burner. That's a false narrative, because we just had a discussion with Steve and Jared, you know, yesterday actually, and a couple of discussions this week, and Mr. Ushakov is actively engaged with them as well, of course, and our minister Lavrov has good discussions with Secretary Rubio.

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801.577 - 826.113 Kirill Dmitriev

So US-Russia dialogue is ongoing, is going very well. And frankly we see it's the European countries and maybe even UK who try to interject themselves into that dialogue because they believe the dialogue is going too well. And we see there are many forces in Europe and UK who don't want peace, who don't want the end of the conflict. And they have big efforts to try to create the false narratives that Russia-US dialogue is not going well. It is going very well.

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826.214 - 853.923 Kirill Dmitriev

Are we likely to see a new meeting soon between US and Russia and Ukraine? Well, I think a bilateral meeting is likely to happen in the near future. I don't want to put a timeline on it. And that would pave way to other discussions as well. But we also have a very significant bilateral track. And you do want Russia and the US as the largest nuclear nations to have good relations and have geopolitical stability. And their relations really determine security for the world.

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854.092 - 882.56 Alex Ritson

Viimeisenä päivänä olemme nähneet taitoja eskalaamista. Olemme nähneet isoja russiallisia taitoja, missailun ja droonitaitoja Ukrainaan. Olemme nähneet ukrainoiden droonitaitoa St. Petersburgin alueella tänä päivänä. Kuinka vaikeaa on tällä hetkellä? Onko vaikeaa vielä enemmän eskalaamista? Luulen, että eskalaaminen on mahdollista, mutta meidän täytyy muistaa jotain, joka ei ole koskaan mainittu Yhdysvalloissa tai eurooppalaisessa mediassa. Ja olen varma, että tämä osa ei ole mainittu. Mutta kaikki alkoi viimeisen eskalaamisen taitojen kanssa.

882.712 - 895.537 Kirill Dmitriev

where 21 children were killed by Ukrainians in Starobelsk city. And basically then the Russian army started responding. So I think once we understand what causes some of the escalation factors,

895.739 - 921.203 Alex Ritson

and open transparent about it, then we can really find a path to de-escalation. Final question, and first to point out that it was Russia that launched an invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. But coming to the economy here, this economic forum, what do you think of the state of the Russian economy right now? Well, first of all, Russia believes that Russia didn't start the invasion because it started with Ukrainian forces attacking

921.423 - 933.539 Kirill Dmitriev

russialaisista ihmisistä Donbassissa, joten tarina on paljon suurempi. Mielestäni ekonomin valtio ei ole niin suuri kuin viime vuonna, mutta se ei ole niin huono kuin Yhdysvaltojen ja eurooppalaisen mediassa sanottuna.

933.758 - 958.733 Kirill Dmitriev

It's definitely better than European economy, better than UK economy. Why? Because Russia has diversified quite a bit, but also benefits from higher prices on oil. Yes, interest rates are a bit too high. We believe they should be lower for more investments. But Russia economy has proven resilience. So Russian economy is resilient, is doing well. Actually it's Europe who needs Russia to provide gas. It's Europe who needs Russia to survive.

Chapter 4: What challenges remain in Ebola vaccine development as stated by the WHO?

1103.909 - 1123.619 Alex Ritson

Since first coming to power, President Naib Bukeli has declared several states of emergency under which military forces patrol streets and jails. I heard more about the gang from our global affairs reporter Paul Moss. They date back to the 1980s when many El Salvadorians arrived in the United States, particularly Los Angeles.

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eläminen maailmassa horvaa sivuilta. MS-13 aloitti itse asiassa suojelua El Salvadoran imigrantteihin, mutta kuten usein tapahtuu, ranga mutoi, kunnes se itse asiassa oli liittynyt droogitrafikoihin, extorsioihin ja tuli huonosti erityisen horvaavaksi. Silloin El Salvadoran sivuilta loppui. Monet ranga-alueet menivät takaisin El Salvadoriin.

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and to this day it's been operating essentially as a transnational gang working in the United States and El Salvador. Why are there so many of them on trial at once? El Salvador's current president came to power on a promise to launch what he called a war on gangs.

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1166.279 - 1187.896 Alex Ritson

His methods have not been exactly subtle. They've essentially gone through a sweep, arresting nearly 100,000 people. Now, there's no doubt it had an effect. The crime rate in El Salvador plummeted, the murder rate particularly, which made President Bukele incredibly popular. And I should say not just in El Salvador, in fact in other Latin American countries affected by crime.

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1187.896 - 1226.422 Alex Ritson

Kiitos kun katsoit videon! Kyllä, jotain kuin 2 prosenttia, jolla on melkein 2 prosenttia jälkeen. Miksi nyt järjestäjät puhuvat näistä ongelmista? Kyllä, se ei oikeastaan ole mitään mieltä, onko se? Monet näistä ihmistä ovat jo johtaneet monia eläintenä. He ovat nyt järjestäneet 1 000 vuotta, eikä 200 vuotta.

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I think essentially the prosecutor's office wants to grab attention with this claim. They sort of said some of these people will never leave the prison system. I guess they want to emphasize that this is a very robust campaign they're leading against the gangs.

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An approach which as I said has made Nayib Bukhali literally one of the most popular leaders in Latin America. Indeed he has popularity ratings that I think a lot of leaders around the world would want to emulate. So by his standards this crackdown, this war on gangs has been a great success. BBC's Paul Moss.

1261.994 - 1287.847 Alex Ritson

For years the West African nation of Mali has been struggling to contain insurgencies by Islamist militants with recent attacks by a group linked to Al-Qaeda as well as Tuareg separatists. Now the military government has banned the use of motorcycles outside the major cities because they can be used to launch attacks. This report from Richard Hamilton.

1289.77 - 1321.748 Alex Ritson

Motorbikes are widely used in rural areas across Africa to move people and their goods. But they've also been used by armed groups across the Sahel. That's the middle band dividing the north of the continent from sub-Saharan Africa. And with bikes the militants can carry out hit-and-run attacks across rough terrain, evade security forces and make quick getaways.

Chapter 5: Why has the military government in Mali banned motorcycles?

1405.516 - 1434.355 Alex Ritson

We're going to turn to Albania now and the country's Mediterranean coast, because plans for a huge new development of luxury properties and a holiday resort there have sparked nightly protests against the government. One of the principal investors is a firm belonging to Jared Kushner, Donald Trump's son-in-law, and campaigners say the project is being pushed through without enough scrutiny. Johnny Vorpsey is from PPNEA BirdLife Albania,

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1434.355 - 1460.393 Johnny Vorpsey

The country's oldest environmental group. This project is incompatible with the criteria of a protected area. So we are talking for a project that will be built inside one of the most important coastal wetlands. And it's part of the protected area. And the size of it, it's the size of a new city. So from what has been stated, it's a 10,000 rooms project project.

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1460.393 - 1493.587 Johnny Vorpsey

Tämä on se syy, miksi me vastaamme. Nämä puolueet ovat ne, jotka välttävät koko tapauksen, koska voisi olla turvallisia asioita, kyllä. Ja on turvallisia asioita Pohjois-Albeinassa, mutta ajattele, jos kaikki olisivat...

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1493.587 - 1516.3 Johnny Vorpsey

jotta ne voivat kehittyä sillä tavalla kuin he halusivat. Silloin meillä ei olisi turvallisia alueita. Meillä olisi kaupungit ja toinen voisi tehdä nukleaaripuolta. En tiedä, jos joku tekee sitä, mitä haluaa tehdä turvallisessa alueessa, jos se on osa turvallisesta alueesta, niin turvallinen alue ei ole mitään mieltä.

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1516.3 - 1543.25 Johnny Vorpsey

Doesn't Albania need to develop its tourist industry? I mean, it'll create a lot of jobs, this project, won't it? Yes. I mean, there should be place for such developments, of course. And Albania has 80% of its territory open to this development, because only 20% of the territory of Albania is a protected area, and meanwhile the rest, it's not a protected area. So it's just in the wrong place, you think?

1543.25 - 1572.308 Johnny Vorpsey

Ehdottomasti. Emme puhu tällaista investointia. Tietysti kaikki investointi pitäisi mennä kohdallaan. Mutta tässä tapauksessa, siltä, jossa on suurin piirtein delta, albaniläisellä ja mediterraniläisellä maailmalla, jotta se voisi muuttaa erityisen asian erityisesti eri paikoille, se olisi väärin päätöksentekoa.

1572.308 - 1600.372 Johnny Vorpsey

albeijan hallituksista, jotta he jättäisivät tuohon maailmanlaajuisuuteen, joka olisi yleinen kaupunki, joka voisi olla rakennettu joku muualla albeijassa. Oletko uskonut, että hallituksen tarkoituksena on yrittää päästä alueelle Trumpin hallituksen kanssa, jolloin yksi suurimmista investointeista on Jared Kushner? Voi olla, mutta luulen, että siellä on yleensä vain yritys.

1600.473 - 1626.713 Alex Ritson

Environmentalist Johnny Vorpsey speaking to James Menendez. To Japan, where authorities say they're still searching for what they've described as an extremely intelligent bear that's repeatedly evaded capture after attacking a number of people in Fukushima province. I spoke to the BBC's Pete Ross, who began by explaining how the bear had managed to evade capture for so long.

1626.713 - 1641.715 Pete Ross

Pohjois-Amerikka alkoi tunnustaa sääntöjä viikonloppuun, kun se alkoi Fukushimassa, jossa on noin yksi henkilö, ennen kuin seurasi ensimmäistä kautta ja meni lähelle elektroniikkafaktoriin.

Chapter 6: What are the implications of the luxury development project in Albania?

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Kiitos!

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1757.579 - 1787.077 Alex Ritson

And that's all from us for now. If you want to get in touch, you can email us at globalpodcast at bbc.co.uk. You can also find us on X at BBC World Service. Use the hashtag Global News Pod. And don't forget our sibling podcast, The Global Story, which goes in-depth and beyond the headlines on one big story. This edition of the Global News Podcast was mixed by James Piper.

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1787.077 - 1792.342 Alex Ritson

The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Alex Ritson. Until next time, goodbye.

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1800.037 - 1820 Kirill Dmitriev

Meille Akria-eläinvakuutuksessa on tärkeää, että lemmikilläsi on mahdollisuus parhaaseen hoitoon. Eläinvakuutuksemme tarjoavat sopivan turvan kaikenlaisiin tarpeisiin. Sinä valitset vakuutuksen laajuuden, me tarjoamme maksuttoman etäeläinlääkärin sekä nopean suorakorvauksen klinikan kassalla.

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