BBC reveals rift at top of Taliban regime
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This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Celia Hatton, and at 16 hours GMT on Thursday, the 15th of January, these are our main stories. An exclusive BBC investigation in Afghanistan reveals a split at the top of the ruling Taliban. Videos and voice messages from Iran show the extent of the government's crackdown on protesters. And the social media platform X announces new rules for its AI chatbot Grok over the creation of sexualized images of real people. Also in this podcast, Uganda's general election faces widespread delays as President Museveni seeks a seventh term.
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Four astronauts are back on Earth after the first ever medical evacuation of the International Space Station. In the last edition of this podcast, we brought you an exclusive BBC report on a split at the top of the Taliban in Afghanistan. In a leaked recording, the group's supreme leader, Haibatullah Akanzada, warns that the divisions could bring down his government. The story is the result of a year-long investigation by the BBC's Afghan service. And now we want to bring you more details from one of the journalists who worked on it, Zia Sharir. He told us that while the Taliban has denied the split, it could have huge ramifications for the 44 million people within Afghanistan and how they experience the Taliban's harsh rule.
The Taliban are a very secretive government, one of the most secretive with a leader who is not showing his face and do not come out. Pictures are not taken from him. So what we tried to do was to look at into their daily operations and how they are governing Afghanistan. But also last year, there was a leaked audio that we obtained in the BBC and it In that audio, the leader of the Taliban expresses concern about internal division inside the Taliban. His concern talks about the differences inside the Taliban that could eventually topple down their government.
Within the body of the government, they will set people against one another. They will criticize each other, so that the system becomes weak and divisions increase. As a result of these divisions, the Emirate will be destroyed and will simply come to an end.
So our one year investigation was focused on to finding out what are these differences and who are opposing each other inside the Taliban government. And we found out that, in fact, there are two groups. One is based in Kandahar, led by Hebatullah Khanzada himself. The Kandahar group is loyalist to the leader who are pushing and supporting the radical and extremist policies that Hebatullah Khunzada is pushing across the country, particularly on women education and women's work, but also in relation to their relationship with the world. They are more into isolationist policies, and also the strict implementation of the Sharia law or the morality law, which is a major source of difference between the two groups, and also the concentration of power.
So they're concentrating a lot of power in Kandahar. The leader is in charge of pretty much everything in the government. But then we have the Kabul group, consisting of the defense minister, interior minister, and the deputy prime minister. The most famous of them are Saroj Deen Haqqani, who was once the leader of the Haqqani network, a very feared militant group. But now he's sort of showing, and also a group around him, showing more interest into moderate policies, particularly, again, into female education. And also they are not happy about the concentration of power in Kandahar. They think that the ministers are being overlooked by the leader in Kandahar. And they are also supporting active interaction with the international community.
What does the BBC investigation reveal about the Taliban leadership?
OK, so now that we're aware of this apparent division within the Taliban, this lack of unity, what difference could this make for people living in Afghanistan?
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4 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–4:58
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What does the BBC investigation reveal about the Taliban leadership?
4:58–21:40
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How are the two factions within the Taliban differing in their policies?
21:40–29:06
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What impact could the Taliban's internal divisions have on the people of Afghanistan?
29:06–29:57