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Global News Podcast

Jesse Jackson dies at 84

17 Feb 2026

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Chapter 1: What are the tributes following Jesse Jackson's death?

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40.345 - 61.577 Ankur Desai

This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service.

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Hello, I'm Ankur Desai and at 16 hours GMT on Tuesday the 17th of February, these are our main stories. Jesse Jackson, the US civil rights leader who marched with Martin Luther King and later ran twice for president, has died at the age of 84. Iran says it's agreed a set of guiding principles in its latest nuclear talks with the US in Geneva.

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And the Swiss city is also the venue for another set of negotiations between Russia and Ukraine. Also in this podcast, one of the world's biggest AI summits is happening in India this week with the issue of online safety at its core. It's urgent that leaders of this world understand where we could be going and that needs their attention and intervention as soon as possible.

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And giddy up, it's the year of the fire horse. Celebrations begin for the Chinese or Lunar New Year. The Reverend Jesse Jackson, the famed American civil rights leader who marched alongside Martin Luther King Jr. in the 1960s and twice ran for president, has died. He was 84 and had been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease in 2017.

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A statement from his family said his unwavering commitment to justice, equality and human rights helped shape a global movement for freedom and dignity. And then he left an indelible mark on history. Alim Makbul takes a look back at his life. November 2008, Barack Obama and a moment of history.

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In the crowd, the tear-stained face of a man who'd done much to pave the way, the Reverend Jesse Jackson.

Chapter 2: What were Jesse Jackson's contributions to civil rights?

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In the face of America's military build-up in the region, Iran too began at its own naval drill in the Strategic International Waterway, which is the Strait of Hormuz. Even the scope of the negotiations in Geneva had been in dispute as part of any deal. Iran said it would not discuss its missile stockpile and demanded relief from sanctions which are strangling its economy.

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So how do the people of Tehran feel about the talks? Our chief international correspondent Lise Doucette has been speaking to some of them. If there was a deal between the United States and Iran, would it help you in your life? Absolutely. Definitely it will get better. Definitely. Because right now we're in a very terrible situation.

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As soon as we open our eyes in the morning and we see that we're alive, we say, oh, thank God, that's it. What do you think is going to happen in Iran? President Trump says if there's no deal, he's going to attack Iran again.

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528.855 - 536.445 Ankur Desai

They must come to an agreement with the United States in order to prevent an attack.

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But so many people in Iran are suffering, and some want the United States to strike. I am telling you this truthfully. Did you not see how many people were killed in the protests? I believe those in charge of these negotiations and agreements have done behind-the-curtain willings and dealings. I try not to get too caught up in this issue, that what will happen in the future.

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I have to stand on my own feet. I have to get my own rights. My countrymen are whom I can rely on. I will support them to the end. I will pay whatever costs. And what are you seeking? Freedom. I want to live a free life. I want to be able to hold my friend's hand freely. I want to be able to put my hand on my friend's shoulder freely.

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I want to be able to express what I think and what I believe in freely and not be beaten, tortured and so on and so on. People in Tehran talking to Lise Doucette there, who is reporting from Iran on condition that none of her material is used on the BBC's Persian service, a restriction which applies to all international media organisations operating in Iran.

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In the past few hours, we've heard from Iran's foreign minister, Abbas Saragchi, who said the two sides at the talks in Geneva had now reached an understanding on the guiding principles for a deal. Elie Gerameyer is a senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations. Leila Nathu asked her for her assessment of what those main principles could be.

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Well, first of all, that's the feedback from the talks from the Iranian side. We have to see how the Americans spin these latest discussions. But my interpretation is that if indeed correct, that the US and Iran for now have managed to at least agree on what the parameters of the negotiations means and what the scope of the topics are. for further technical and political talks will be.

Chapter 3: How did Jesse Jackson influence American politics?

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There are 22 of them. So there is a sense that countries like India are being used to build the foundations of this AI empire, but they're not necessarily reaping the same level of benefits that the Western countries are. And it's a huge scale summit, not just in terms of the people attending, but just so many different themes that are going to be there.

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There's talks of chakras as well, the likes of Bill Gates and Sundar Pichai are going to be there too. So it's expected to be heavy hitting, so to speak. It's absolutely massive, both physically and also in terms of the content. There are thousands of people travelling to Delhi to attend, including me.

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We've also heard that local companies are bringing in scores of rural workers who want to experience the action as well. The conference centre is the size of 70 football pitches, so I'm definitely going to need my trainers. And I think it sounds like every square metre is going to be put to good use, isn't it?

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And India really wants to use this event to flex its muscles, if you like, as an AI superpower. And going on around it, there are dozens of panels, discussions, keynote speeches.

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995.536 - 1000.848 Helena Humphrey

They're taking place all week. They're featuring all sorts of AI academics and researchers and professionals.

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As you said, some household names going as well. Joshua Bengio, Bill Gates needs no introduction. Google boss Sundar Pichai. We understand that they're all going to be there, along with world leaders and ambassadors from around the globe, including, we think, from China. You mentioned the chakras.

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There are seven themes to this event and they cover everything from the real billion dollar question, which is about AI governance and safety, to these issues like accessibility and the impact on the climate.

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And that's causing some concern in itself because some delegates have told me privately they're a bit worried that the focus and the scale of this is so big that it's going to be difficult to get any meaningful conclusions out of it. While others are hoping that India really is going to be able to have impact because... Let's face it, there have been three of these summits so far.

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We've seen so much talk and grand declarations and pledges, but the tech still throws up lots of problems. We keep coming back to these concerns about its impact on the big issues like jobs and cyber security. They've certainly not gone away. Zoe Kleinman, our technology editor. Still to come in this podcast.

Chapter 4: What is the current status of US-Iran nuclear talks?

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There is still a core belief politically in Ukraine that it would rather keep fighting, albeit how awful that is, than sign a peace agreement that would be tantamount to a gradual surrender.

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The situation on the battlefield, what's it like at the moment?

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1371.597 - 1393.259 Lise Doucette

It's very difficult. I mean, Ukraine has actually recaptured, reportedly, around 200 square kilometres of territory in the southeast. And it's thought to be because of Russia being denied access to the Starlink web access system created by the billionaire Elon Musk. But more broadly, it is still a story of grinding Russian advances.

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And that is the picture we have to remember when we think about these ongoing discussions. Russia is still getting what it wants, despite the costs. And Ukraine, you know, in this war of attrition will ultimately lose first if there can't be a diplomatic solution in the medium term.

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James Waterhouse in Geneva. Well, in Ukraine itself, meanwhile, the government is funding a programme that allows soldiers to store their sperm. After four years of war, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers have been killed or injured. And sperm freezing is increasingly popular, especially for those heading into battle.

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Our Eastern Europe correspondent, Sarah Rainsford, sent this report from Ukraine. Hi, Maxim. I'm Sarah. The other day, I called Maxim on the front line somewhere in eastern Ukraine, because the soldier wanted to talk about his sperm. Can I ask you, Maxim, why you decided to freeze your sperm? Ukraine's gene pool is dying. Our men are dying. It's about the survival of our nation.

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Maxim is one of a growing number of Ukrainian soldiers who've been freezing their sperm samples for free before being deployed to fight. He told me it's because if he's killed, his wife could still have the child they both want. And if he does survive this war, he's worried about his future fertility. There's no guarantee you're safe, whether you're on the front line or even 80 kilometres back.

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Maxim means because of the Russian drones overhead, constantly hunting. That means stress, and that has an impact on a man's fertility. So we have to think about the future, and the future of our Ukrainian nation. Since Russia's full-scale invasion four years ago, Ukraine's birth rate has dropped dramatically. I met baby Bogdan when he was just a day old, his tiny face all wrinkled and pink.

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But Oksana, the director at the clinic in Kiev, tells me she now sees far fewer Bogdans, only half the number of pregnancies she saw before the war. That's partly because so many women fled as refugees. And those still here don't want to have so many babies in a land of missile strikes and air raids. But Oksana says it's also about fertility. She confirms that's badly affected by stress.

Chapter 5: What are the highlights from the AI summit in India?

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And it was also illegal, wasn't it?

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Yes, back then it was illegal for many, many years.

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So you lost points?

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I lost some points for sure, but I was in a way glad that the judge didn't put a zero. Part of my body said, hey, either they're going to kill me and they're going to put zero, zero, dash, dash, dash, dash, or they're going to put me last. It was neither, and I was like, oh, okay. And thanks God, because I did land on one foot, like it's supposed to be a triple salchow or a triple loop.

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So I did make sure that I land, even though I was exhausted at that long program, I had to land on one foot.

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What was the reaction in the rink...

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My goodness, as soon as I landed, the crowd just went nuts. And I got, I think, a standing ovation for like a minute, almost like people were just wild. And yeah, and I was like, OK, I still have 30 seconds to finish my program. Let me focus to my speed and pretend I'm OK. But I was distracted by the crowd. And I probably was like, oh, the judges are still here.

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What are they going to think about me? It was crazy. Retired French figure skater Surya Bonaly, who backflipped on the ice back in 1998 in iconic style at the Winter Games in Nagano in Japan. Finally, time to saddle up as we gallop into the year of the firehorse. Chinese or Lunar New Year starts today.

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And for the next 15 days, it's thought that more than one and a half billion people around the world will be marking the occasion. Kerry Allen is our China media analyst. I asked her to explain the significance of the firehorse and why it's a Lunar New Year.

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