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Chapter 1: How did Steven Spielberg's childhood shape his filmmaking career?
Tänäänkin Suomessa on tuhansia rahoittamisen arvoisia yrityksiä. Nyt niillä on varaa kasvaa. Me OP-Pohjolassa avasimme juuri satojen miljoonien kasvurahoituksen. Lue lisää op.fi kautta kasvurahoitus.
Suomen pinta-alasta 75 prosenttia on metsää ja 10 prosenttia järviä. Samalla Teliän kotimainen ja kattava 5G-verkko kattaa Suomen väestöstä yli 99 prosenttia. Jos totta puhutaan, niin minuahan tämä nyt kiinnostaa nolla prosenttia, mutta olen sataprosenttisen varma siitä, että Teliä kuuluu ihan tosi hyvin siellä, missä sinäkin olet.
A 26-year-old man crouches on a small fishing boat in the middle of the ocean. It's 1974. He's wearing denim cut-offs, long hair and aviator shades. He's peering through a camera, but the swell is bobbing them up and down, so it won't stay still for a moment. Kill Bruce, he shouts. From beneath the water, a ginormous shark's mouth appears with hundreds of sharp teeth. But just as the shark is launching out of the water, it stops crashing down awkwardly.
It's broken again. The blood drains from our young director's face. That's another day's shoot ruined. He whispers under his breath, I'm never going to work again. But he needn't have worried. When it's released, his film will be the highest grossing film ever. And no one will want to go in the water again.
Welcome to Good Bad Billionaire from the BBC World Service. Each episode we pick a billionaire and we find out how they made their money. We take them from zero to their first million and then from a million onto a billion. My name is Zing Zing and I'm a journalist, author and podcaster. And I'm Simon Jack, I'm the BBC's business editor.
And you'll probably live under a rock if you haven't seen one of these guys' films. Yeah, the early years of this are very much my era. So I feel very comfortable with this and very excited about it. Because we're talking about Steven Spielberg, the most commercially successful movie director in history.
That's right. He is currently worth a cool $7 billion. And he turns 80 this year. Congratulations, Stephen. And over a 50-year career, he's made some of the world's most beloved movies. E.T., Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park. That's just to name a few.
I've got to say, my parents took me to see Jaws when I was six years old. That strikes me as too early to see Jaws. I think basically they couldn't get a babysitter, so they just hoped that I'd fall asleep. But I watched the whole thing, terrified. The bit where the head comes out of the hole in the bottom of the boat. The whole place freaked out. It was quite a moment. Were you scared to go into the water after that? I think we all were. I mean, tell me somebody who doesn't go, mm-hmm.
It really did give Sharps a bad rep. And before that, this idea of a summer blockbuster didn't really exist. I mean, it kind of redefined. Now to some people, they'll say he ruined cinema with this kind of blockbuster idea. And he's actually got a new film coming out this year called Disclosure Day. Have you heard anything about that? I have heard nothing about it. It's going to be about aliens, but this is a business podcast and we have to talk about business. And actually, I was really surprised to learn Steven Spielberg, despite the fact he podcasted,
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Chapter 2: What challenges did Spielberg face during the production of Jaws?
He made everything he was going to do sound like you wished you were part of it. That's such a brilliant quality to have, isn't it? Because doing a movie, you'll have to lead a huge team of multidisciplinary people. But Stephen's parents divorced in 1965. That was the year he was graduating from high school. He wasn't a high-achieving student. He was rejected twice from the University of Southern California's film school, the most prestigious film program in Hollywood. Instead, he studied film production at California State College, Long Beach.
There's a story that Stephen has told many times, and every time he tells it, it's slightly different. As a university student, Stephen snuck off during a Universal Studios tour by hiding in a bathroom, then spent the day wandering around the lot watching productions be made. After impressing a guy called Chuck Silvers, he was given a three-day pass. On the fourth day, he says, he dressed in a suit, and the security guard waved him in,
That summer he hung out every day and became an unofficial apprentice at Universal Studios, which he described as a film school inside a studio. But in reality, when he was 16, his dad had pulled some strings and he knew someone at Universal and he arranged that first visit with Chuck.
Stephen and Chuck stayed in touch and Stephen came back during summers in college. So boy, he knows how to spin a yarn, doesn't he? Yeah, even about himself. Meanwhile, he was getting poor grades at university. He dropped out after two years. Now, I've lost count of the number of our billionaires who dropped out of college. But crucially, he didn't drop out of Stanford. No, he didn't. Instead, in 1968, he made a short film called Amblin.
A 24 minute love story. Amblin is a word you might recognize. That's Steven Spielberg's own brand. Exactly. He got financing from a friend, the aspiring producer Dennis Hoffman, for $25,000 and 5% of the profits. And that film was screened at the Atlanta Film Festival, where it impressed executives at Universal, a massive film studio. Sid Sheinberg, then the head of Universal's television department, signed Steven to a seven-year contract as a TV director.
Nyt huomioidaan, että Steven tällä hetkellä on vain 21 vuotta vanha, joten hän on yksi vanhempi johtaja, joka on saanut pitkän aikavälin kontraattia suomalaisen Hollywood-studioon. Ja on tärkeää huomioida, että tämä oli aika, kun vanhempi johtaja ei ollut oikeastaan hyvä asia. Kyllä, mutta hän on tehty työtä työssä. Viimeiset vuoset hän on johtanut TV-kirjoja, joissa hän on pannut 275 dollaria viikossa, johon on tärkeä fakti. Pubquiz-fakti tämä.
He directed the pilot episode of Columbo. I can see that definitely being a pub quiz question. That's a good one. Then in 1971 he made a TV movie, a thriller called Duel. And it did so well that Universal decided to give it a theatrical release, like put it in cinemas. And it was so good, I agree with that, that at a party thrown by Francis Ford Coppola, a young George Lucas hid in a bedroom to watch it. At the first commercial break he ran downstairs saying, Francis, you've got to come and see this movie. This guy is really good.
Mitä minulle ei anna olla tuolla paikalla. Ajattele, että olet ympäröivällä ympäröivällä ympäröivällä ympäröivällä ympäröivällä ympäröivällä ympäröivällä Loppuun loppu jäi yläpäivän yläpäivän yläpäivän yläpäivän yläpäivän yläpäivän yläpäivän
They used exactly the same noise when Jaws, the shark, is killed at the end of Jaws. And now that is another great pop quiz fact. I'm going to remember that one. Well, the success of Duel convinced two producers, Richard Zanuck and David Brown, to let Stephen direct his first theatrical feature film at the age of just 24, The Sugarland Express, starring Goldie Hawn.
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Chapter 3: How did Spielberg redefine the concept of the blockbuster?
Sen jälkeen hän teki seuraavan elokuvan Columbia Picturesilla. Ja minun täytyy kertoa, että en ole kuitenkaan katsellut Stephenin toisen elokuvan, joka oli Aikaisemmat toisen elokuvat. Mitä? Et ole nähnyt sitä? Se on täysin mahtavaa. Ja se on hauskaa, koska minä rakastan kaikki elokuvat ja televisiokuvat, jotka tulivat sen jälkeen. X-Files, you know, things like that, that were clearly inspired by this alien film.
Funny story, because Richard Dreyfuss kind of knew that Steven Spielberg was going to be a big deal. He kind of felt it. And so during the filming of Jaws, he basically spent the entire time trying to persuade Steven Spielberg to cast him in the next movie, which he duly did.
Dreyfus oli todennäköisesti hyvä intuisiota hänelle. Ja taas hän teki mahtavaa hitaa. 20 miljoonan budjettiin tämä elokuva kasvoi yli 300 miljoonan dollaria maailmalla. Se on iso. Hän teki 17,5 prosenttia net-profitin. Mutta tämä vain toimii 5 miljoonan minuutin, kun studio käsittelee kosteuksia. Ja se oikeastaan auttoi Columbiaa, joka oli syvällä tehtävällä ja jolla olisi vahvistus.
This is a fascinating story. George Lucas, director of Star Wars, but by the way, we've covered him on Good Bad Billionaire, actually took some of his profits from that film. George had visited Stephen while he was filming Close Encounters, and as I say, George was making a little film called Star Wars at the time. He was nervous it wasn't going to be a hit.
On the Close Encounters set, comparing the movies, George felt even more concerned. I don't like the look of what this guy's doing, he's too good. So George asked to trade points with Stephen. George would give him 2.5% of Star Wars if Stephen gave him 2.5% of Close Encounters. And Stephen said, sure, I'll gamble with that, great. And even though Close Encounters were a hit, it was nothing like the monster that was Star Wars, which grossed $775 million. So Stephen did pretty well off that little bet.
En voi ajatella, millainen keskustelu Stephen, George ja heidän tutkijat ja asiantuntijat olisivat tehneet, kun nämä kaksi ihmisiä kutsuivat heidän joukkoonsa, että hei, me teimme hieman rauhan. Me teimme rauhan. Se on melko hauskaa. Kyllä, kyllä. Paljon käyntiä, mielestäni. No, luulen, että eikä kukaan huolta, kun se tuli monimutkaisena. Tämä on todella totta.
Ja jos kuuntelisit George Lucasin jakson, niin tiedät, että aineen idea ei ollut ainoastaan sellainen, joka meni erittäin hyvin Hollywoodissa, kun se oli ensimmäisenä muuttunut. Olemme takaisin Stephenille, ja sen jälkeen, kun hän on loppunut, ja sen jälkeen, kun hän on loppunut, ja sen jälkeen, kun hän on loppunut,
Indiana Jones, of course. This is the collaboration he did with George Lucas, which grossed $354 million. And that film was made with Paramount, where Stevens' directing fee was a million dollars. But crucially, the deal guaranteed him gross points. Now, another little explainer, net points means you're paid from the money left after all the costs are deducted. So studios can deduct production costs, it can deduct marketing costs.
julkaisu, sisäiset kosteudet, jne., jne., jne., jne., jne., jne., jne., jne., jne., jne. Vaikka rauhapointit tarkoittavat, että olet pannut rauhapainosta, eli totuuden rahaa, jonka olet saanut ennen kaikista rauhoituksista. Se on hyvin vaikea manipuloida. Olet saanut rahaa, kun filmi alkaa tehdä rahaa. Rauhapointit ovat erittäin arvokkaita, ja ne eivät ole laitettu helposti studioihin.
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Chapter 4: What role did negotiation play in Spielberg's rise to success?
According to Forbes, his typical movie deals worked something like this. The studio absorbs all costs. Once the movie starts to bring in revenue, he generally gets a 5% cut if he produced the film and 15% if he directed it. He makes money even if the film loses overall. His gross points often rise, say to 30%, until the film breaks even. At that point, he and the studio split the profits 50-50. That's a hell of a deal. Deeply unconventional for Hollywood.
Now we're going to skip over the next few films, although we should pause briefly maybe on the second Indiana Jones movie, because it got him his second wife. His first wife, Amy Irving, was an actress he met in 1976 during an audition for Close Encounters. Their relationship has been described as tempestuous and troubled over the next decade. They broke up, got back together, eventually married in 1985 and had a son together.
But in 1989 the couple divorced, and their settlement is one of the most expensive in history, estimated at $100 million. His second wife, Kate Capshaw, was the actress in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, if you ever wondered what happened to her. They married in 1991 after she converted to Judaism for him.
They'd go on to have five children together, two of whom were African American and adopted. In an interview she said, we were watching Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom the other night on television. I turned to Stephen and I said, what happened to my career after that movie? He said, you weren't supposed to have a career, you were supposed to be with me. And it's true, my focus was on Stephen and a large family. I'm not sure I would personally react that well if that's what my husband told me about my own career. But, you know, clearly they're very happy together.
Steven kreditsi Kate's conversion to Judaism as bringing himself back to Judaism. Soon after he connected creatively with his faith by directing the Holocaust film 1993's Schindler's List. While filming Schindler's List, Steven said that he cried all the time. It was, in his words, the most personal film I have ever made because it was something I was so ashamed of.
It's a three-hour black-and-white movie about the Holocaust. It's a hard watch. Stephen was convinced it would lose money. Even the budget was just $22 million. But he needn't have worried. The film grossed over $320 million worldwide.
However, he actually gave away his profits for the movie, saying, I was unwilling to keep it because it was blood money. In fact, Schindler's List was the film that got him into philanthropy. After the film, he set up two foundations. One gives grants to Holocaust and Jewish continuity projects, and the other records testimonies from Holocaust survivors. However, he said he mostly gives anonymously because of his faith. He said, a rabbi sat me down and told me,
You know, if you put your name on everything, it goes unrecognized by God. I said, really? So 80% of what I give is anonymous, and the other 20% is only where my name can help attract other monies, which is a really interesting approach to philanthropy. Yeah, no, obviously he can be a mustering point for other donors, can't he, if he discloses that he's one.
Well, Schindlers List won Stephen his first Oscar Awards for Best Director and Best Picture, and that brought him a new kind of credibility. He was a hitmaker, but hadn't been really recognised creatively. But, of course, he wasn't done with blockbusters quite yet. The same year that Schindlers List came out, something quite different, Jurassic Park. Now, Jurassic Park became the highest grossing film ever at the time. I seem to be saying that quite a lot as we go through this. It's a common refrain in this episode.
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Chapter 5: How did Spielberg's personal life influence his filmmaking?
But starting a studio is a much bigger gamble than a production company. This is the first new big studio in a generation. The other ones were all established before World War II, during that golden age of Hollywood, MGM, all those kind of people. Those studios had vast back catalogs, and the revenue from that keeps them afloat when they make inevitable multimillion dollars.
dollar flops all studios make flops it's one of those weird businesses you make 10 films you hope that the blockbuster that does really well kind of helps you pay for all the duds that you make but if you've got this kind of revenue coming in from you know your back catalog that can cushion all of that so stephen up to this point had been relatively flop free he had a few duds but he never really made a film that had lost money stephen said i threw myself over the barbed wire with jeffrey and david so we could have what we wanted
The three founders took on different roles at DreamWorks. As an exec at another studio put it, Stephen is still the idea man, though no one ever says it, Jeffrey's doing all the grunt work, while Geffen sort of lurks in the wings and lobs a ball in or two when he's inspired to do so. Kiitos kun katsoit.
Ensimmäisessä Jurassic Parkissa oli hienoja tapauksia, kun näin ensimmäiset dinosaurit. Tällä hetkellä niitä on enemmän ja enemmän. Kyllä, tiedän. Mitä muuta ne laittavat meille? Hienoja? Kyllä, kaksi vuotta sitten DreamWorksilla ei ollut edelleen live-aktiivisia elokuvia, jotka olivat todella huolimatta ihmisistä, jotka heidät takaisin.
DreamWorks aloitti filmin nimeltä The Peacemaker 1997. Se ei ollut tehty Stephenin kautta. Se ei ollut hyväksynyt kritiikkojen kautta. Stephen, mielestäni remediaalisen tekeminen, sopii toisen filmin DreamWorkselle. Se tarkoittaa, että hän sopii kolme filmiä vain 12 kuukautta, jopa Jurassic Parkin.
So they released Stephen's historical drama Amistad. The critics didn't mind it, did okay with them, but it lost money. And Stephen explains, I kind of dried it out. It became too much of a history lesson. Not enough of his sugary sentimentality maybe. His Hollywood gloss. Yeah.
But by the next year, 1998, they really got into the swing of things. His DreamWorks film Saving Private Ryan was a commercial and critical hit. He said he made it for his dad, whom he'd reconnected with in the years before. But even Saving Private Ryan was a co-production with Paramount. And as Jeffrey Katzenberg put it, having half of something Stephen's excited about is better than having none.
That's a great quote. It's difficult to know how much time Spielberg could have dedicated to running a studio. In nine years, for example, he directed nine films. DreamWorks released a number of hits from other directors, but for every hit there was at least one flop. In fact, DreamWorks was on the verge of bankruptcy several times, and the studio began to fall apart. Its animation division became a separate public company run by Jeffrey Katzenberg, for example.
Ja vuonna 2006 Stephen ja ystävänsä soittivat DreamWorksin Viacomille, perusryhmän Paramountin, 1,6 miljardia dollaria, mikä sisälsi noin 400 miljoonia DreamWorks-palkkia. Stephen pysähtyi tärkeällä kreatiivisellä ystävällä, mutta se ei ollut onnellinen matka.
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Chapter 6: What impact did Schindler's List have on Spielberg's career and philanthropy?
Kyllä, hän on kuvaillut tyypillisen työntekijänä ja vahvistuneen, vahvistuneen keskustelijan. Hän ei ollut terveellinen, kun se liittyy puolustusryhmään. Hänen itseänsä on ollut todella vaikea tehtävä häntä. On hyvin mielenkiintoista kirjaa nimeltä Easy Riders Raging Bulls. Siinä on historiasta Hollywoodin aikana, ennen ja jälkeen, isojen blockbusterin aikana. Se poistaa ideaa, jota jotkut kritiikki ovat tehneet, eli...
Tämä tehtävä Hollywoodin franskiaalipäiväistä blockbuster-kulttuurista jätti hieman ruumaa kreatiivisuuteen, 1970-luvun syneeriin. Jos muistat, että ihmiset puhuvat Dog Day Afternoon, Serpico, French Connection, Taxi Driver ja kaikki niitä todella rikkiä ja kreatiivisiä elokuvia. Ja sitten se on kuin wham, sinulla on blockbuster ja emme ole koskaan pysyneet takaisin siitä. Se on hänen kritiikkiänsä.
Suu me, but I love a good blockbuster. I know I should say that, you know, yes, I wish all cinema was art house cinema and everything should be more like dog day afternoon. But God, when you go into a cinema and you watch something like, say, Jurassic Park or E.T. for the first time. I mean, I remember watching Jurassic Park on television off of VHS. And even then I found it terrifying and it completely changed me. Yeah.
very few films get to do that. I'm not a blockbuster hater, I have to say. No, fair enough. But he has got some criticism for when you bring that kind of Hollywood treatment, the happy ending, you bring that approach to really tough issues. For example, Schindler's List, he received criticism because the hero was a redeemed Nazi. And also Amistad, David Geffen even, one of his business partners, said it was less about slavery than about white people saving black people, sort of white, you know, white savior complex.
Ja Indiana Jonesin heikot ovat melko kartuunia. He ovat melko heikkoja. Kun olin lapsena ja katsoin Indiana Jonesia ja näin heikot, ajattelin, että jotain ei ole oikeastaan oikeastaan. Mutta Steven Spielberg sanoi myös, että en ole koskaan tehty elokuvaa, jota ajattelen väärin. En ole koskaan tehty elokuvaa, jota voin sanoa, että haluaisin, että en ole tehty sen kuvan, koska se liittyi ihmisiin. Ja olen todella iloinen siitä. Hän olisi voinut tehdä paljon huonoa, luulen.
Luulen, että meillä on ollut rauhallisia yritysten ihmisiä täällä. Hän ei näyttäisi olemaan sellaista kategoriaa minulle. Jos hän laittaa hieman sydäntäpohjaa hieman vaikeista asioista vain, jotta voidaan tehdä elokuva onnistuvaa, niin kyllä. Luulen, että kulttuurisesti se voi olla paljon enemmän tällä hetkellä kuin se olisi ollut 1970-luvulla. Se voi olla ongelma. Mutta luulen, että hän laittaa vähäisiä ja kontroversioita minulle. Minä annan hänelle kaksi. Jopa yksi.
I think I would give him a two out of ten. Okay, two for you, one for me. So power, what kind of power do they wield both in their industry and in the world?
Well, interestingly, Spielberg is close friends with President Bill Clinton, so he was even the co-producer of the big extravaganza to celebrate the millennium at the White House. But, you know, it's been a long time since Clinton was president. Yeah, I mean, he's still probably, in terms of movies, he's still the number one name in directing, I would say, in the world. If you were to call up the current president of the White House and say, I'm thinking of making a little film, I wonder if you'd like a part in it, I think the answer would be yes.
I think most people in the White House would still say yes to Steven Spielberg on the line. Of this or any administration. I'm going to give him eight for power. I think it'll be really interesting to see what his new blockbuster Disclosure Day does and whether it's a success at the box office. Because I think that will be a real test of his power. Will the Spielberg name still bring people out into cinemas? Has he still got the magic? Does he still muster that kind of excitement? So I'm going to give him eight for power.
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Chapter 7: How did Spielberg adapt to the changing landscape of Hollywood?
Good Bad Billionaire is a BBC World Service podcast produced by Hannah Hufford. The editor is Paul Smith and it's a BBC Studios production. For the BBC World Service, the senior commissioning producer is Sarah Green and the commissioning editor is John Minnell.
Tänäänkin Suomessa on tuhansia rahoittamisen arvoisia yrityksiä. Nyt niillä on varaa kasvaa. Me OP-Pohjolassa avasimme juuri satojen miljoonien kasvurahoituksen. Lue lisää op.fi kautta kasvurahoitus.