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Bruce Lanphear: Chronic Lead Exposure, a Risk Factor for Heart Disease

17 Aug 2025

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5.819 - 31.343 Eric Topol

Well, hello, this is Eric Topol with Grand Truce, and I'm very delighted to welcome Professor Bruce Lanphier from Simon Fraser University in British Columbia for a very interesting topic, and that's about lead, lead exposure. We tend to think about lead poisoning with Flint, Michigan, but there's a lot more to this story. So welcome, Bruce.

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32.124 - 33.565 Bruce Lanphear

Thank you, Eric. It's great to be here.

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33.815 - 58.283 Eric Topol

Yeah, so you had a New England Journal of Medicine review in October last year, which was probably a wake-up to me, and I'm sure to many others. We'll link to that, where you reviewed the whole topic. I mean, the title's called Lead Poisoning, but of course, it's not just about... big dose, but rather chronic exposure.

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58.303 - 66.271 Eric Topol

So maybe you could give us a bit of an overview of that review that you wrote for NEJM. Yeah.

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66.291 - 86.485 Bruce Lanphear

So we really focused on the things where we feel like there's a definitive link. Things like lead and diminished IQ in children, lead and coronary heart disease, lead and chronic renal disease. As you mentioned, we've typically thought of lead as sort of the overt lead poisoning where somebody becomes acutely ill.

86.465 - 102.567 Bruce Lanphear

But over the past century, what we've learned is that lead is one of those toxic chemicals where it's the chronic wear and tear on our bodies that catches up. And it's at the root of many of these chronic diseases that are causing problems today.

103.357 - 125.298 Eric Topol

Yeah, it's pretty striking. The one that grabbed me, that kind of almost fell out of my chair, was that in 2019, I guess the most recent data, there is 5.5 million deaths, cardiovascular deaths, ascribed to relatively low levels, or I guess there is no safe level, of lead exposure. That's really striking.

125.338 - 152.668 Eric Topol

That's a lot of people dying from something that the cardiology and medical community is not really aware of. And there's a figure three that will also show in the text, the transcript, where you show the level where you start to see a takeoff. It starts very low. And by 50 micrograms per liter, you're seeing a twofold risk. And there's no threshold. It keeps going up.

152.648 - 159.016 Eric Topol

How many of us do you think are exposed to that type of level as adults, Bruce?

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