S3 | Part Two | Finding Heidi: Endgame - Episode Three (Re-release)
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What happened to the Swedish tourists Heidi and Urban in 1989?
Remember that everyone named is presumed innocent of any crime unless proven otherwise in a court of law. On the last episode of Guilt. Him and six or seven others were sitting out at Tanatra where the man got killed. And they knew that happened. They could hear it happening. And the girl went into a shock. and that the real killer was a guy called David Turner. You know, he was in a bad way. Like, you could tell something was... Yeah, he was freaking out. And he just came out of the blue and said, Dave did it.
How was David Wayne Tamihere convicted despite lack of evidence?
Dave did it. And he went, like, slash across his throat kind of thing. What do you mean? I said. What do you mean, the Swedish couple? And he goes, yeah, he did it.
I said to him, I put him with a question. I said, mate, did you really deal to those Swedes, brother?
And when he got out of the car, just tell me one thing, where is she? He knew exactly who I was talking about.
What new evidence has emerged in the case of Heidi Paakkonen?
I know shit that nobody wants to come out in the open. And of all of us, I know it all.
From Brevity Studios, I'm Ryan Wolfe. And this is guilt.
It's got to be her.
I'm just I just feel like that's her It's a thing, you know, we're having a good yarn about fucking things and As far as me and the family go I never really fucking spoke to them about the beer a I didn't even know I was involved, mate, until I fucking, good friends of mine got in touch with me and said, Jim, you need to fucking watch this podcast, mate. He said, no, I don't, boys. I don't need to watch Spark Wall. It's got nothing to do with me.
Who is James Turner and what role does he play in the case?
Well, then I found out that bloody Darren implicated me, and so then it all changed, didn't it, eh?
Yeah, it certainly did.
Fuck, listen to what that prick had to say. I thought you'd punch drunk, fool. What the fuck? Jesus. And like, you know, when you ask me about whether the family had spoken about the beer in the Swedes, no. Because I don't know. I haven't been in touch with the family. Like, me and Frank have kept in touch over the years, but that's about it.
What did eyewitnesses report about the events on the Taikato property?
The rest of the family, oh, Christ, no, mate. But I don't want to sort of like, you know, for the... the kooks out there to think that I'm going to throw my brother under the bus when I really don't know. My niece said to me, she goes, oh, so you're going to talk to this bloke, are you? You better watch out, fucking uncle doesn't put you in a swamp. I said, well, at least you'll know it was him. You know, like, fuck. I thought, I thought, I thought, now that's a real weird thing for the niece to say. Fuck, very strange.
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How has the discovery of Urban's body changed the investigation?
It's James Turner, the brother of David Turner, and one of the men that Darren Old says he saw with Heidi and Urban in 1989 on the Taikato property, very near where Urban's body was discovered. I've just sat down with James for the second time, and he's told me how one of his nieces said to him recently that he better not speak to me, or his brother Dave Turner will put him in a swamp. James says he's not perturbed by this, and if he does disappear, we'll know who did it. And it seems with vague threats like this from some of his own family, and then Darren Old accusing him of being involved in Heidi and Urban's murders, that James is caught between two sides. But he says he's more than happy to speak to me.
Because he says that Darren's mistaken. If there was a second person standing over Urban that day like Darren describes, it wasn't him. But first, before we get into this interview with James, let's do a quick recap of the key pieces of witness evidence in relation to what was seen on the Taikato farm back in April of 1989. Darren Old, a friend of David Turner, told me he arrived at the property to buy marijuana and that when he drove into the property he witnessed David Turner's younger brother, Donald Turner, switching the license plates on two white Subaru station wagons. He then says he saw David Turner dragging Heidi Parkinen by the elbow from a cabin, and that standing nearby was David's brother James, and that her barn was sitting in the corner of the cabin with his head bowed.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What happened to the Swedish tourists Heidi and Urban in 1989?
0:04–0:51
2
How was David Wayne Tamihere convicted despite lack of evidence?
0:51–1:30
3
What new evidence has emerged in the case of Heidi Paakkonen?
1:30–2:21
4
Who is James Turner and what role does he play in the case?
2:21–2:49
5
What did eyewitnesses report about the events on the Taikato property?
2:49–3:28
6
How has the discovery of Urban's body changed the investigation?
3:28–5:10
7
What are the implications of the 'Wairua' concept in this case?
5:10–6:56
8
What are the next steps in seeking justice for Heidi?
6:56–42:49
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