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Chapter 1: What is the background of Jessica Gaudie's case?
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This season of guilt is brought to you by Anytime Fitness Australia, home to Fitphoria, the special place that fuels confidence, connection and joy. It's why they do what they do. On the last episode of guilt. but he said Derek would never have a beer. Bob said that when he questioned Derek as to why not, Derek said that he got a bit nasty when he had alcohol.
She had regular dealings with many of the Pyburn managers over time, and this also included Derek Sam. Her recollection of him was that he was very courteous, civil and professional always. Her response was that when it comes to picking criteria for a serial killer, in her mind, there was someone at Pyburn who fit those stereotypes much better than Derek Sam. Mark Johnson.
How do three women disappear without a trace? Not one thing.
We're talking about a young girl, a 16-year-old girl who's just disappeared. She's supposed to be in Brisbane with family, and she just wasn't there. And I remember thinking that she was very cool, just sort of a vibrant personality.
What are you after? What are you doing? He said, oh, you heard about the case of the three missing women. From Brevity Studios, I'm Ryan Wolfe, and this is Guilt.
We're just hopeful for every chance that we get and hopefully there'll be something where we can bring her home and then I can put her with my mum.
Okay it is 5.30 in the morning and I'm on the road to the Auckland airport and today I'm going to do something that I've been planning on doing for a while now but only recently we've sort of had the opportunity to track him down and that's speak to Gus. That's the goal of what I'm going out to do today. We managed to find an address that we think could still be current.
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Chapter 2: How do the disappearances of the three women connect?
Well, it's obviously going to catch him absolutely out of left field. So it will be very interesting to see what his reaction to that's going to be. And I think because it's so left field... you know, there's a good chance that he might not just slam the door in my face. As I make my way into the outskirts of Dunedin, I find myself in a largely commercial, industrial area.
Not necessarily a place you'd expect to find residential accommodation. But sure enough, as I come up and around a bend, I see the block of flats appearing on my right. Okay, it's telling me in 600 metres my destination's going to be on the right. I'm just in a bit, yeah, it's a bit of a cross-section between a commercial industrial area and some residential.
It looks like fairly low decile housing through here. Okay, I think I can see it. I can.
Okay. Oh, I can't park here. I have to go a bit further. Okay, it is really, really rough. Really, really rough. Your destination is on the left. Very, very rough.
I'm just going to go for a quick walk. I pop outside into the brisk two-degree Dunedin air and take a walk past the block of flats. It's a fairly simple two-story building that's split up into about 10 different tiny single bedroom units. A simple glance from the outside makes it clear that those residing here are likely in some kind of state housing arrangement.
I'm going to stick out like a sore thumb walking in here shortly, and you never know who you're going to meet. Before I pull the trigger though, I retreat to a nearby CAF to make some notes and a game plan. I have to assume that when I knock on the door, it will be Gus who answers, and be sure that I'm prepared accordingly. I'll likely only get one shot at this.
So 30 minutes later, I'm back, parking my car just up the road a short distance. Cars are zooming past on this busy road. To everyone else, this is just a normal day. But for me, and whoever might be behind that door, it's about to be anything but. Okay, I'm going to drive around the corner now and knock on this door and I'm praying. Praying that he's going to be there.
Alright, I've just pulled over just up the road. I've just been to a cafe and had some breakfast and I've written out a plan, hopefully, of questions and I realise there's quite a few different angles that things could potentially go. Yeah, now I'm going to wander down here, which is just down there.
can see it's sort of a semi-industrial kind of area it's just down on that corner down there um you can't quite see it from here but after I go through when I go past I'll drive past and I'll take a I'll take a video on on the camera so you can get an idea of where I've just been but yeah I'm going to go down now and knock on this door and I'm really really really hoping that he's going to answer um
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Chapter 3: What challenges does Ryan face in the investigation?
I lived there, Sunshine Coast, for, I don't know, several years anyway. Yeah. So that's the only actual personal conversation I think I had with Anne Yeah.
Yeah. Because where Ian's workshop is, that's kind of a bit further up. That Yabba Creek Bridge is there. So did you see her? So you used to see her walking down the road with the dog?
When I was... leaving work leaving the shed going home or i'm not don't know if i saw coming when i was coming to work i usually work fairly early so yeah be on the way home yeah that i saw her yeah and so would you see her on the actual road yeah on the left-hand side of the road yeah which was a bit silly too i think um but yeah okay
Do you remember, you know, a lot of people in town that I've spoken to, they can sort of actually remember the morning Anne went missing and helicopters and all this kind of stuff. Yeah. Do you remember that day in particular? Helicopters, no.
Chapter 4: What are the key revelations about Gus and his involvement?
Or do you remember, you know, the day she went missing or anything? You know, what?
I don't know. I don't know. I'm trying to think the day I knew she was missing. I don't think it was... I don't think I found out straight away. I'm not dead sure. But I don't think... I don't remember the helicopters. Yeah, I'm not sure exactly when I found out or knew that she was missing. I don't think it was the same day she went missing. I could be wrong. I don't know.
I'm just trying to be honest. I can't. Yeah. Yeah, I know. It's a long time ago.
How many years ago is it? Well, it's almost coming up one of the anniversaries in 10 days, but that was 99, so we're talking sort of 27 years ago now. 27 years ago? Yeah.
Wow. Yeah. Yeah. She didn't deserve it, but what I knew of her, I think Ian had said she was a nice lady or whatever. I don't think I even really talked to many people about her. But my understanding was that she wouldn't harm a fly. She was friendly. She was, you know, yeah, just getting on with her life. But you only spoke to her that one time?
That would have been the longest conversation I had, and it wasn't very long anyway. But I just remembered I felt like I had to raise a concern that she shouldn't be walking alone on the side of the road like that, especially in the evenings. As I said, I think the words I said was, look, it's not an ideal world anymore. I just don't think you should be doing it.
But that was about, that was certainly the longest conversation. I might have said g'day to her a couple of other times. I don't know, in passing, at shops or something. But yeah, I didn't know her.
I didn't really know her. Yeah. It was a small town, I guess, though. You run into people in town, don't you?
Yeah, everybody sort of knows of everybody. Yeah, yeah. Kind of like that, yeah.
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Chapter 5: What insights are shared about Jessica's disappearance?
Would it be good advice? Wouldn't anybody say that was good advice? What type of person would say anything otherwise? Yeah. I thought what I'd said was in Annie's best interest and no other reason. Yeah, I mean, she never interfered, made no difference in my life whatsoever, and I made no difference in her life whatsoever, so I had no other reason to say anything else.
You know, she's wearing these little kind of tight, brief shorts and a tank top. It's not hard to figure out what her body looked like, you know, beneath her clothes and If a bloke was that way inclined, here's an apple that's ripe for picking. Understandable. I can only imagine that's what's happened. Somebody thought she was an easy grab. Yeah, why her car was there, yeah, I suppose.
She was down there with the dog. Was the dog found? No. The dog's gone. You ever found it? So that could be where she went missing.
Yeah. So you were saying that it was Ian, you know, in terms of because you were referring to her as Annie. Annie's normally something only her friends or people that knew her well would refer to her as? I don't know.
I don't know. I just... Got to know her as Annie. Ian called her Annie. I think, I can't remember if other people did, but I just took cues from him. He called her Annie and he was friends with her, so I called her Annie. Yeah. Yeah. I never asked what she wanted me to call her. And I didn't know her first name was Sabrina until well after she went missing. Yeah.
Did you know her... Well, he was estranged, but her husband, Eric? No, no, I didn't know him.
No. Um... I don't even know how long they were separated, divorced.
They weren't divorced, but they were sort of estranged. I think Eric might have felt like they were still together, but I don't think Anne necessarily felt the same way. It's one of those things that's kind of hard on the outside to look back in when you don't really know, but...
And he wasn't any... No, he wouldn't be any help. He's passed away also.
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Chapter 6: What conclusions are drawn regarding Derek Sam's involvement?
Because I believe there was quite a lot of searching went on in forestry because there's old gold mining shafts around the area. Yeah. Yeah.
But, you know, it still is ā there's some somewhat surprising, you know, that she's never been found and Selina's never been found either, you know, the backpacker. Yeah. Whether they're actually connected or they're not ā That's the question as well, you know, is Derek responsible for these or is there someone else that's responsible for the other ones?
That's, you know, that's the question.
Yeah, I think I kind of went that route too. I sort of thought, assumed it was probably Derek. Yeah. But maybe that was unfair, I don't know, but. There was a year between the first one and the second one. How long between the second and the... Three months. Only three months. Only three months, and that was the teenage girl?
Yeah.
I mean, you can get all these ideas, but it's a bit like whoever did it was getting... More keen, like a year and then three months. In my mind, I watch a few of these on TV and things. Some of them are just shocking. I get really... a sick, uncomfortable feeling when I see what some people do to other people. It's like it's unreal how one person can do that to another.
I had a bloke here try to kill me. Since I've been here, I've just got a scar on this arm here. He came at me with two knives. I heal really well. That scar there. And he came upstairs and while you've been at this place? Yeah, yeah, I was here, and I had an old wooden table leg.
I was going to carve it into something, table leg, and I just grabbed that, and I went out, and he came running at me, and I just hit his arms, and I think I should have got a commendation because I never tried to hit his head. I just wanted to disarm him, and... He ended up leaving, and of course, me facing this way, I'm right-handed, I hit his right arm first. I shot his left arm first.
I shot his right arm, and he's trying to stab my chest, and he got me in the arm. Jesus. And apparently I broke both his arms for him. So I was happy about that.
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Chapter 7: What updates are provided about the ongoing investigation?
What happened? Did it go to court? Oh, yeah, he's out of jail. And it was only... grievous bodily harm, threatening to kill. Yeah, he outside down there, down below, the next door neighbour before this imbecile beside me, the fellow that was in there had said something. Paul was his name. And he was going on to this bloke up here and I said, Paul, bugger off, leave him alone.
sticking up for him, of course. That's when he ran inside, came out with these nice-looking knives. They were, too. Came out with these knives and, I'll kill you. I'm going to fucking kill you. I'm going to do this. So why wasn't charged with attempting to kill? Because he tried to kill me. Yeah. But, no, he just got grievous bodily harm and threatening.
Mm-hmm.
Weird. I pack a mate. I get myself into trouble. I don't look to trouble, but it comes my way.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thanks so much for having a chat to me. I really appreciate it.
If I, honestly, if I... And this is 100% sincere. If I knew anything that could help you to find Annie dead or alive, I would tell you, I honestly would. But I don't have anything. If I just said to you, you know, straight up, like, did you have anything to do with her disappearance? Yeah, I'd say no. I'd be shocked at being asked that.
You know, and I'd probably be a bit indignant and, you know, get my defences up a bit. But I would say to you, no. And this was the first time I'd say now, I wish I did. I wish I did. I wish I could give you what you needed just to lay this case to rest for her family, for everybody. It's not fair. It shouldn't have happened. Um...
What do you think happened?
Oh, God. I've tried to reserve my judgement Because I don't want to think that she's been killed, right? So I kind of... My thoughts, I favour the idea that she's gone somewhere. She just didn't want to be found or seen or... I don't know. But, you know, I kind of lean towards, yeah, I hope... Well, I hope she'll just turn up or I hope she'll be found alive. Secondly...
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Chapter 8: What reflections are made at the end of the season?
Yeah. Like Ian, I helped him to make some of his furniture. I knew a lot more about making furniture. I made a lot more. I made a lot better. And I don't think I'd always sat very well with him. He said you were a good carpenter. Yeah, that I was more successful than him. I think he didn't like it sometimes.
Yeah, yeah, no, hey, you know, I appreciate that, you know, from my point of view.
I would love to run into Annie. That would be so cool for me. You know, it could let me sleep have rest about everything. I would even forgive and forget the accusations made against me and I wouldn't hold it against the people that have said bad mouth me if any appeared. You know, I'm a very forgiving person. I'm hopeless at holding grudges, put it like that. Yeah, it would be a real buzz.
Yeah. Um...
Yeah, as you can imagine, my jobs, I just follow the leads and just go back over and check through everything.
Have you found anything new, anything to fill in any gaps in the last 27 years?
I mean, that's a long time. It's tough. I mean, with Anne's case, you know, Tony's potential sighting of, you know, seeing Anne with someone this morning up Eastern Mary River Road. It's potentially something that's important?
It is.
I think so.
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