Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Okay, let's do that now. Joining us on the aforementioned hotline, host of Canucks Central, Canucks pre- and post-game host, Satyar Shah joins us now on the Halford & Brough Show on Sportsnet 650. What up, Sat? What's going on, boys? Oh, man. We've spent at least an hour and a half of our three-hour show breaking down everything that came from Friday.
A lot of focus on Jim Rutherford's media availability, but we actually just played a clip from Teddy Bluger. I'm sure you've heard it like everyone else has now because we just played it. Talking about setting a culture, setting a standard. He alluded to his time in Pittsburgh playing with Sidney Crosby and how things got developed and set there.
What have you heard about the way the Canucks culture was, how it developed throughout this season, the highs and the lows and where things are going to be going moving forward? Culture with the Canucks at what do you know? What do you what have you heard?
Well, I mean, there's been an acknowledgement publicly the last little while about how bad things were. Even Rutherford said they were really bad, which is also kind of funny because there are a lot of denials over the years about how bad things were in the locker room and things had apparently been okay. But I think essentially how it had been described to
a bit of a mean girls kind of clique uh group with a team that would kind of you know pick on guys or you know always and i don't say pick as in like high school pick on guys but i think it was more like maybe they were a bit tougher on certain guys or whatever it was they would be a bit more cutting with their commentary here and there and wouldn't always create the best environment and when things were going sideways maybe that stuff went out it got out of control and i don't
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Chapter 2: What insights did Satiar Shah share about the Canucks' culture?
And I think that's part of what he has to uphold.
Okay, Sat, who do you think is going to be the next general manager of the Vancouver Canucks?
Sure.
All right. So I've been trying to figure this out. And I think all the reporting is very accurate. Ryan Johnson is very much the leading contender. The thing that's really fascinating for me is how are you going to sequence the person who's going to be above?
ryan johnson because i i don't think as much as um ryan has a good chance of becoming the general manager of the team i'm not sure he's going to be the key hockey uh czar so to speak or at least the guy who's going to be above um you know kind of be in the same position or rutherford's in and i and i think at some point here they do want to have somebody who is a by a person president type.
Now the sequencing for this is what's, what's really fascinating for me. Are you going to be hiring, let's say it is Ryan or somebody else who's a GM candidate that doesn't say have the experience of being a GM or being an executive at that type of level. Are you going to be hiring that person and say somebody who has experience above Ryan that comes in together?
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Chapter 3: What were the significant points from Jim Rutherford's press conference?
Or is this something that's going to be sequenced over time where, where Ryan or whoever who doesn't have a ton of, cause it looks like whoever's going to be a GM candidate, If they're going with somebody who doesn't have experience, they're not going to be somebody who can step into the vice president or president role right away. But are you going to be hiring that person?
Together with Ryan, or is that going to be something that happens two months from now, three months from now, five, six months from now, depending on how long Rutherford wants to be involved. But I do think internally, there's a recognition that they want to have another executive. The question is, well, that person actually become a vice president or a president, or
Do they just stay kind of in the role they have? But the thing that's most interesting to me is do you have to get the sequencing right? Because what I don't want to see happening here is you hire a GM and then seven, eight months from now, you hire another executive and then they're not going to be on the same page or rather for at least potentially about how to move forward.
So I think the best way to do this, if you're going to hire somebody who's going to be the eventual replacement, at least have some idea of, how they're going to work together, and at least have that part planned out. Even if it's not something that happens right away, if it happens within a couple months, are you hiring people that can work together?
That's going to be the biggest question I have about this situation.
Yeah, the new president's going to come in and be like, this GM kind of reminds me of Bruce Boudreaux. And then you're like, oh, one of these things again. Okay, this is a simple question, but I think it has a complex answer. Why was Patrick Alvien fired? I think somebody had to pay the price.
And I do think as much as they're... I think Patrick had to... I think somebody had to pay the price. And I also think that Rutherford not staying long-term and then this plan failing... Patrick Alvien's failure is also very much Jim Rutherford's failure. It's also the failure of the regime as a whole. It was supposed to come in and resuscitate
is not what everybody had signed up for when they initially came over. So when your fan plan fails as spectacularly as this one did, and you're on a spot, we have to start over. And then the head hockey ops guy may not be here more than another year maximum.
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Chapter 4: How did the Canucks' locker room dynamics affect player performance?
I think you have to create, it was a situation where you have to create, um, the succession plan. And I think. Just because Rutherford is here, it doesn't mean that he's not paying the price in some way, shape, or form. The price that he's paying is you've got to build the next management team, and then whenever you leave, you're done, and it's not going to be this long-term situation here.
Could there have been a possibility if things were successful that Rutherford stayed on for another year or whatever, or they would have just handed off the reins to Alvin and then some other? possibly have happened. But I think it's an indictment on the entire plan failing.
And just because Rutherford is here doesn't mean that he's been, you know, he's safe, quote unquote, in terms of, um, is skirting the failures of what happened. It's that he's been put in charge of putting together the next management team. And I think ownership has, uh, still believes in, um, Rutherford's acumen and in hiring people and putting people in place, um,
When it comes to management and even in another position, you can actually look at that and wonder how much faith they should have based on how some things have kind of gone here the last little while. But instead of hiring an outside firm and giving it to somebody else, I think they just entrusted Rutherford into hiring his own successor, essentially.
Yeah, and I think they just, I think they trust him to do the press conferences because they don't want to. I mean, Francesco's not comfortable public speaking, and not everyone is, and Jim Rutherford is. So I think that's part of it as well. You know, Francesco probably would not have done well.
if he was in the same position as Jim Rutherford on Friday alone up there getting question after question from the media, that is not something he wants to do. And I understand it because... There are some people that just don't love public speaking. It's very uncomfortable for them. Jim Rutherford isn't one of those guys, so why not send him up there instead of ownership?
Well, that's what they're paying him for, right?
Well, exactly. I want to hear from ownership, but ownership is paying him to do this. And then when the season has spilled the way it has, it's like, well, we've paid you to fix this, and now we're paying you to take the bullets.
Yeah, and I also wonder, because this was the next thing I was going to ask you about, When Jim Rutherford was asked, are you embracing or are you bracing for more pain next season? And he said, no, I'm not. When I heard that, I was kind of like, I think you're going to have more pain, but maybe that's ownership talking there.
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Chapter 5: What does the future hold for Elias Pettersson and the Canucks?
We knew that was going to happen. And I appreciate all of your complaints. Like the Winnipeg Jets are going to have their presser today with Chevy and the coaching staff.
Connor Hellebuck set the table nicely for him.
Yeah. So I'm going to be really curious to see what Chevy has to say in Winnipeg. We just didn't have the bandwidth to really get to it today.
We are aware. Maybe tomorrow. We are aware that we haven't spoken about the Vancouver Whitecaps and their 3-0 demolition of Sporting KC. We're aware.
But they had a 3-0 demolition of Sporting KC.
We're aware. We haven't mentioned Jen Gardner and what she did for the Golden Eyes. Four-goal performance. We're aware.
First-ever hat-trick. And then she added one more.
And then one more for good measure. Jen Gardner scored four goals for the Golden Eyes. Look, we know. We are consciously ignoring other sports stories today.
The Mets have lost 11 straight.
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Chapter 6: What changes are expected in the Canucks' management structure?
We will look into this. There have been a couple other what we learns that came in. Bubble Matthew takes in what we learned. The uncertainty around the Whitecaps staying here is a real bummer. The player works their butts off. The players work their butts off and play the right way. The team seems to have a good culture. It's an easy team to get behind.
I saw some rumors online over the weekend that it was like suggested that they might already be sold to a Vegas group, but I don't know if those rumors are true, but I think it just... But I'm willing to spread them on our radio show. No, no, no, but it just goes to show... Listen, it's going to happen. The Caps are in this situation right now.
The future is very, very uncertain with what's going on, and it's really disappointing because the Whitecaps are a very good team, and I will maintain forever... that Vancouver is one of the best soccer cities in North America, this is all about a stadium. There's one issue. Yeah, there's one issue. There's one issue. It's a stadium. It's true. It's like when the Sonics left.
Seattle, great basketball market. All about the arena. Need a place to play. The Mariners got their public money. The Seahawks got their public money. And when all of a sudden it was just like the Sonics didn't, and then they left.
Mm-hmm.
The on-field product right now is at such a high level and such a high caliber. That match against Sporting KC, and Grant, Sporting KC's probably the worst team in MLS. If not, they're definitely in the Mount Rushmore of the top four or five of the worst. Anyway...
The Caps put forth a performance where they just dominated proceedings over the first 30 minutes, put their opponent to bed, and then took just very, very matter-of-factly and professionally. That's what they call a professional victory, where you don't have to exert yourself over the final 60 minutes of the match. You don't pick up any unnecessary cautions.
You're able to sub out some of the guys that need some rest. You just put it to bed. You know you're supposed to win. You go out and you take care of business early. It's a nice, tidy effort. The fact that the Caps are able to do this with the kind of regularity that they do it is, on one hand, amazing that they've developed such a good team and such a good product. And also...
It stings a little bit because it's all under the backdrop of, well, how long is this team going to remain in Vancouver? And it's very frustrating.
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Chapter 7: Why was Patrick Alvien's firing significant for the Canucks?
It's hard. Can I just say one thing? It's hard.
I don't think I would have been a very good captain of this team. You wouldn't have been. Can I just say one thing to Chayton's text? Putting the locker room dynamic in the... Can we call it quote-unquote bullying? No, I think it's bullying. Okay, whatever.
There was bullying going on.
But as a descriptor, okay? To put that onus and responsibility on Hughes is crazy to me because that was an organizational mandate. That was Rutherford and Alvin and Taka being like, we want this to come from the players.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's not the captain's fault.
Mm-hmm.
If the guys that are in charge of the team are being like, we want the players to do this, you can't put one singular player in charge of it.
For the most part, Hughes had Pettersson's back.
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