The Paradox of Pleasure

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Shankar Vedantam 0:01
This is Hidden Brain. I'm Shankar Vedantam. In the hit television show Ozark, a bright financial advisor finds himself suddenly working on the wrong side of the law.
Unknown 0:13
What's our story for the kids? Well, we could tell them the truth, Wendy. How would that be?
Shankar Vedantam 0:19
Following a series of bad decisions by his business partner, Marty Bird, played by Jason Bateman, begins working for a drug cartel.
Unknown 0:28
I want you to be ready to set up shop within a week. Yeah. And Marty, when I drive by your house, there better be a for sale sign on your lawn.
Shankar Vedantam 0:40
Almost from the start, the bodies start to fall. People get thrown off balconies. People get shot. People are electrocuted. When government officials get involved, more violence unfolds. People betray one another. They cheat each other. They act in selfish and short-sighted ways.
Unknown 1:00
Let me just jog your memory for a minute. There was an innocent man who was murdered. Gary.
Shankar Vedantam 1:13
You might say this is the genre of the drug movie or television show. You see it in critically acclaimed TV shows like The Wire and Breaking Bad and in movies such as Traffic and Scarface.
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Shankar Vedantam 1:35
Running through these dramas, we sense the irresistible power of drug addiction, the implacable draw of heroin or cocaine or methamphetamine, the chaos and crime that follow everywhere the drug trade is plied. I've watched many of these TV shows and movies as entertainment. For many years, I also reported on the work of researchers who study the science of drug addiction. But some time ago, I came by a mind-bending idea that transformed my understanding of addiction. It challenged how I think about drugs and what it means to be addicted. And it told me that as gripping as TV shows and movies about the drug trade might be, they don't begin to capture the profound story of addiction in all of our lives.
Shankar Vedantam 2:28
Today, we begin with a story we are telling across two episodes. It will change the way you think about your brain and offer some profound insights into what it means to live a life of happiness and contentment. Pleasure, pain, and balance. This week on Hidden Brain.
Unknown 3:03
All of us think we know what addictions look like.
Shankar Vedantam 3:05
We've seen the movies and TV shows about gang violence and drug dens. At Stanford University, Anna Lembke studies the science of addiction. She argues our conception of addiction is far too narrow. Anna Lembke, welcome to Hidden Brain. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here. Anna, you're a practicing psychiatrist in the heart of Silicon Valley, and I think of California's Bay Area as perhaps the richest part of the richest country in the history of humankind. So a time traveler from the 17th century might assume that even if the streets were not paved with gold, at a minimum, people would be very happy with so much material success. Is your psychiatric practice empty?
Anna Lembke 3:52
I still marvel at the gap between how people present outwardly and the truth of their inner experience. We see people every day who seem to have everything you could ever want, wealth, beauty, meaningful work, and yet when you look under the hood, they're miserably unhappy.
Shankar Vedantam 4:14
So over time, Anna, you've seen more and more patients suffering from depression, anxiety, and chronic pain, ailments for which they are hard-pressed sometimes to find a source or a cause. And as you say, often these are healthy, affluent, educated people with seemingly everything they could want in life. One patient of yours was a young physician with a very promising career. Can you describe what he was like when you first met him?
Anna Lembke 4:39
Delightful young man, handsome, kind, thoughtful, considerate. He came to me, in fact, because he got a DUI. He was driving under the influence. But as it turned out, alcohol was not his primary problem. Once he was in my office, he revealed to me that he did, in fact, have an addiction problem. But it wasn't addiction to alcohol. It was an addiction to online gambling, sports betting. And his story went like this. He was a very successful high school and collegiate athlete, Division I, all kinds of accolades, really a remarkable athlete.

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