What It Takes to Reclaim Your Attention Span
episodePreviously titled “An Experiment in Healing Attention” — renamed by the publisher on Aug 24, 2026
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Why are people worried that scrolling on smartphones is harming their attention span?
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Are you happy with your relationship with your phone or are you not happy with it?
I wish I could reduce some of the Instagram reeling, particularly at night, where it kinda go down the rabbit hole and it's like, oh my god, it's midnight.
Oh yeah, I've been there. It's like lost time. You feel like when the aliens come and they get you and then like they put you back down and it's just lost time. It has impacted my attention span. I get bored after half a paragraph of reading. Do you have a sense in your mind of like when you notice that you feel like your attention span was getting worse? Probably been like since the start of COVID, like probably in the last five years. Years.
The thing that kills me sometimes is how much I want to look stuff up in conversations. So I'm like constantly have a few books that I'm trying to read through and trying to rebuild attention or something like that.
I'm Julie Beck, a staff writer at The Atlantic.
And I'm Natalie Brennan, a producer at the Atlantic. This is how to touch grass. Julie, attention is one of the biggest things we've heard people talk about when they are renegotiating their relationship to their phone.
Ironically, I feel like every time I go on social media these days, like I see someone talking about how they're trying to heal their attention span. from technology th that they're currently using. Yes. And it's always that word too, like heal. It's like we're sick or we're injured and and we must heal.
Is it something that you've been worried about?
I do worry about my attention sometimes. Like every time I go to the gym lately, like I forget to lock the locker that they have in the locker room. I put my stuff in there, I shut the door. And you don't lock? Then I guess I simply walk away. And I don't realize until I get back that I mean, no one has taken my stuff, luckily. So it's it's all good. Um good Samaritans out there. But that has happened not once. Not twice. More than twice.
Yeah, I guess the way that the attention span thing comes up for me the most is when I think about the number of hours that I spend on my phone. Like
you're pouring your attention into that phone.
Yeah, I see those as very interconnected. But I've also noticed that I very actively try not to think about it. Like I rush to swipe away the screen time notification every Sunday. Obviously that anxiety points to the fact that I want to have a different relationship with
my phone, right? What do you think has stopped you from actively trying to get that screen time down?
I think it's scary to sit with ourselves when we have grown really accustomed to all the stimuli. Hmm, love stimuli.
We talk a lot about, you know, looking at your phone is like a it's a negative thing. And we talk about it in in the negative, right? Like I wanna do less of this thing. There's this thing that I do a lot, I wanna do less of it. And there's like not as much talk about what I wanna do more of.
That's Jenny Odell, the author of How to Do Nothing. When that book came out in twenty nineteen, I remember at the time it was one of the first things I read that really raised a concern about what modern technology and social media were doing specifically to people's attention. So now it's seven years later. And I asked Jenny how her thinking has evolved and how she's doing with her own screen time habits.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Why are people worried that scrolling on smartphones is harming their attention span?
0:02–4:50
2
How did Julie and Natalie design their two‑week phone‑blocking experiment?
4:50–9:42
3
What did the daily audio diaries reveal about low‑energy and mood during the experiment?
9:42–14:46
4
How did the participants replace phone time with activities like knitting, birding, and volunteering?
14:46–20:22
5
What insights did Jenny Odell share about treating the phone as a tool rather than an enemy?
20:22–25:39
6
What were the quantitative results of Julie’s attention‑span test after the experiment?
25:39–30:35
7
How did Julie interpret the improvement in her attention and what does it mean for future phone use?
30:35–34:57
8
What final lessons did the hosts draw about intentional attention and “touching grass”?
34:57–39:39