When we sat down with Carter Bays to talk about the development of HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER, we just couldn’t stop talking. And by the end, we found that we had two episodes on our hands: We had HOW WE GOT IT MADE, detailing the ins and outs of pitching, selling, casting, and finally making HIMYM. But we also have our first bonus episode, HOW CRAIG MET CARTER, about the legendary meeting at Wesleyan University of the HIMYM creators, their musical and comedy collaborations through their work at THE LATE SHOW WITH DAVID LETTERMAN, right up until the moment they first pitched HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER to their agent. (Read more in our Substack post.) CONNECT WITH THE SHOW: Official Website (Send us your audio and written messages) Substack (Join the mailing list, get announcements, and read more from Josh and Craig) Instagram HOW YOU MAKE A DIFFERENCE: Donate to our ongoing campaign to support congenital heart disease research AND MORE: Josh’s “Museletters” on Substack Josh’s Official Website Josh on Spotify Craig’s Official Website (with links to his published writing) Alek’s “Dead Fathers Society” on Substack ADVERTISING INQUIRIES: [email protected] AND IN CASE IT HELPS: 00:00 The Unexpected Journey Begins 03:11 From College Friends to Comedy Partners 06:01 The MTV Internship Experience 12:08 The Power of Collaboration 14:59 The Suit Connection: Identity and Choice 17:49 Breaking into the Industry 20:56 The Letterman Experience 23:56 Lessons Learned from Late Night Writing Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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