My guest this week is Professor Garry Hornby, Emeritus Professor at the Institute of Education, University of Plymouth. In our interview Garry expresses concern about the ‘all means all’ or ‘full inclusion’ view, in which student rights to be educated in mainstream classrooms are the sole determinant of student placement. He explains that this disadvantages some groups of students with disabilities, in particular those with intellectual disabilities, in denying access to the specialized interventions and curricula that will enable them to make a successful transition from school into adult life. Garry then illustrates this concern with examples from his experience as a teacher and researcher. This interview provides an alternative perspective that in some ways challenges assumptions in current discourses on inclusive education.

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