Indo GAA
Frustration again for Dublin | Mayo win throwback thriller | Draw sends Jack back to Kildare
02 Jun 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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If you ask Arsenal's defenders, Gabriel and Saliba, to play in that PSG team or that Bayern team, they would be exposed as much as those centre-backs were last night. Because effectively, the attackers were on top. Then you ask the question, how many defenders were actually on the pitch last night? Because none of the full-backs have no interest in defending. They're like wingers.
And I've seen Saliba and Gabriel in an open game in that League Cup semi-final doubleheader against Newcastle last season get torn apart by Izak. I won't have anyone convince me that they can defend in that space.
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Chapter 2: What were the highlights from the recent Round 2 Draws?
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Hello and welcome to the IndoGA podcast where we'll be digesting what was a brilliant weekend of football action. Unfortunately, Monaghan played their part in a classic again, but they came out on the wrong side this time. So we'll be going through all the post-mortem with Dick at different stages.
But first things first, lads, the draw was this morning for round 2A and 2B of the All-Ireland Series. We'll fly through the games here. Round 2A, the winners group, it's Tyrone against Mayo, first named team at home. Loud against Armagh, Donegal versus Cork and Galway versus Westmead. Round 2B, this is basically if you lose, you're out, last chance saloon.
Derry versus Mead, Kildare versus Kerry, Cavan versus Dublin, Monaghan versus Roscommon. Pat, is it a tad underwhelming?
I know I texted you last week because I thought the draw was going to be on around one o'clock and we were really going to be hot off the presses and we'd be really excited and we'd be really gung-ho and we were expecting a blockbuster, maybe Dublin and Kerry with the losers going out to the championship end. First of all, I can't understand why they couldn't have made the draw Sunday evening.
Well, it's like this. They either make the draw a couple of weeks too early or a couple of days too late.
Well, they could have made the draw Sunday evening or Sunday night when interest was there. But anyway, yeah, it was like to think of Shakespeare, it was much ado about nothing. We looked for the blockbuster. We didn't get the blockbuster. We looked for, say, unique pairings. And I was looking through the stats of the games, of the eight matches.
First of all, two of those games they've already played this year in the league. So Derry played Meath, if you can remember, first game in Croke Park this year. Monaghan played Roscommon in the league already this year. Last year in the championship then, Tyrone played Mayo in the championship last year when Mayo beat Tyrone above in OMA. And then two years ago,
Three of the matches were in the championship of two years ago. So, Cavan played Dublin two years ago, where Cavan got hockeyed by Dublin. Cork, if you can remember, two years ago, beat Donegal down in Parkier Inn. Galway had a cracking game against Westmeath two years ago, where a late Shane Walsh goal, they won by two points.
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Chapter 3: Why was the draw considered underwhelming by the hosts?
You could predict Kerry and Kildare. I don't know if there's a few of them. Maybe we might get a shock, one or two shocks, but not really. There's nothing...
Just something that I wonder will this cause a bit of a debate. A fella got on to me last week and he just asked a simple question. Who is better? He said Matty Ford or Graham Geraghty. And I had a 75-25 answer in my head. And I put it up on
Twitter and it started off like 75% Matty Ford and it got closer and closer and closer and Matty ended up winning and I think it was 54-46 but it was outrageously divisive like if you thought it was Geraghty like you were right and that was it if you thought it was Ford there was people in Wexford getting on to me asking me was he drunk
There's people in Westmead saying it's not, or in Mead saying it's not even a debate. Dick, you would have played against the two of them? Talk to me. I would say... They're obviously different players. I get that.
They're different positions. So again, you set yourself up for the starting point. What are you asking? Who is the more influential? Who is the most successful? Who was technically the better footballer? Matty Ford was technically a better footballer. I played a lot of my early football against Wexford when we had to go down to get Wexford.
He just beat teams on his own in terms of his area skills. At that time, off his two feet, an outrageous point-kicking ability and just phenomenal. Geraghty was a different type of player. Matty would never come out around the middle and influence himself physically, whereas Geraghty could play anywhere. he was a more rounded player.
He could play literally any position on the field and he was a phenomenal natural athlete. So I can see why it's 50-50 because technically Ford was a better footballer, but in terms of overall leadership and influence in games, Gerrity had the nod. So again, yes, you could...
You could throw up several examples of those, but two very different players, which probably pitting one against the other is, you know, you're setting yourself up for the abuse that you probably... I didn't see Geraghty playing as much wing-back, but by all accounts, he was an unbelievable wing-back.
That would have been like late 80s even.
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Chapter 4: What were the standout moments from the Mayo vs. Monaghan game?
Yeah, yeah, 100%. They usually, they usually, like, people give out about the gap sometimes then, particularly when it's a doubleheader. If it's a five o'clock start and then it's a 7.15 start, if it doesn't go to extra time, then there's a big gap. But you have to leave the gap as well and television audiences have to leave the gap.
Bear in mind, haven't I correct, Michael, in two weeks' time, the scheduling of the matches that will be shown on RT on the Sunday week, there will be an issue with timing because is it Germany and something are playing in the World Cup? Is one game going to be one o'clock in the second game? I couldn't tell you, but that's going to be... Wait until the uproar starts over.
Jesus, the soccer match took preference on RT to...
And the uproar will come. You can guarantee it will come. Lads, so much to get through from the weekend. So many big moments, so many big games, big results. Loud getting their first championship win over Dublin since 1973 is a good starting point. Because there's obviously lots of negatives around Dublin and we'll get to some of them in the attendance or whatever.
But Pat, this was actually a good Dublin performance. In comparison to how they've played so far this year, Loud came with some good stuff. They got the goal, Conor Grimes' point attempt that ended up, that's the most dangerous ball in football now, that ball that hangs in around the square. There's lots of confusion between Davey Byrne and Hugh O'Sullivan. But Dublin played well.
Loud just made it a bit better.
While I'm thinking about it, it was a great weekend in Championship football last weekend. Three of the four matches were slow burners that turned into crescendos of excitement at the end. The Mayo-Monaghan game, the Loud Dublin game, and the Westmeath-Cavin game. But while I'm positive... Some of the highlights for the weekend, there were so many times that I said, oh, that's brilliant.
Kobe McDonald's performance in the first half and then winning that final catch at the end of the game, absolutely brilliant performance. Tiernan Kelly's goal. Outrageous. Like, outrageous bit. The two goals scored by Conor Callan and Bobby McCall were just two beautifully executed finishes.
Con took it with the outside of the right, passing into the goalie's left, and Bobby McCall took it side-footed into the goalie's right. Absolutely class. Some of the saves from Niall McDonnell and Jack Livingston and Mayer were absolutely...
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Chapter 5: How did Dublin perform against Louth and what were the implications?
Let me just qualify that actually. A lot of defenders win All-Stars on scoring because it highlights. So a lot of defenders win. Back in your day, Pat, defenders didn't win All-Stars for scoring. They won it for defending. That was their job. Whereas now you'll get a lot of plaudits from scoring. But you know what? He does it every game.
And I've seen him a few times in the flesh and he is just a roll of rice for footballers. And again, he just sort of drives and he gives confidence and assurance when he's on the ball.
Nicky, you'll never be on the All-Star Committee because you'll be like, I know he's getting that too soon, lads. We can't give it to him this year.
Can I just, just a couple of things there. First of all, Dick didn't disagree.
My point is he did deserve it based on what he's done since. That's my point.
What Dick actually said in all that monologue was Dick actually agreed with everything I said, because that's exactly what I talked about. Dublin's defence and whatever like that. That's number one. Secondly, CiarƔn Lennon deserved an All-Star this year. Craig Lennon, Craig Lennon. Craig Lennon. Can I just say, like, They say that to earn an All-Star, it takes hard work.
You have to be a serious footballer now. Jesus, so just map that out. And by the way, when we were on kicking, Darren Nally's kick pass from 60 yards, 50 yards, into James Maguire, and for James Maguire's own, was absolutely brilliant.
Can I just say on the defensive point of view, there's no way James Maguire should be able to go to the ground and get back up and still have time to score a goal. That was mad.
Absolutely. Absolutely. And yes, Dick is right about that. They look leggy in that second half. They look tired. They look lethargic. Is that mentally that they're just not tuned in? I'm not too sure. Certainly in the second half, the one noticeable thing in the second half, outside the fact that their defence was crumbling, Khan was the conductor in that first half.
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Chapter 6: What tactical insights were shared about the upcoming matches?
as if they didn't want to sort of face the music when things were going against them, which is not a good reflection either. So there's bad calls.
Yeah, no, it was known beforehand that they wouldn't be talking.
Is that right? Yeah, yeah. Well, then it's nothing to do with the performance. No, it's not. That's not good. That's, again, more negative energy around them on top of their bad performance. You're right, Keith.
That's the second time. You're right. That's a negative energy. Like, come out, man up and talk. If you have a problem, outline your problem. Put it out there. Like, this is the second time. And yeah, I get their sense of injustice about the Joe Brennan suspension. It is absolutely wrong. But this is the second time. They didn't turn up to the launch of the Linster Championship. Yeah.
They didn't do the post-match interview. And as far as I'm aware, it'll be interesting today, the launch of the All-Ireland football championship is on in Trim today. It'll be interesting to see where they're sending the representative. But man up, talk. If you have a problem, tell them your problem. Absolutely.
Ironically, they would have got a lot of backing for if they had have done it. On the flip side, they're getting a lot of criticism for not, which they shouldn't. So it's another own goal on the PR perspective.
It's bad leadership by whoever. to be honest with you. Whoever. Yeah, so, I don't know.
They're still on the books, but there used to be plenty of full-time people in Dublin GAA to look after this stuff, so maybe they've had to, maybe they've had a few end cuts. End cut reduction in recent times, I don't know.
Wouldn't it be some fun if the GAA fixed the Kevin Dublin game for the Saturday?
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Chapter 7: What are the challenges faced by teams in the All-Ireland Series?
And they were upbeat. You know, I says, listen, yeah, we just, we just...
didn't take chances and they're confident about the next round they're missing a few bodies and yeah very but the one real downer was the injury to Bobby McCollum and there's a broader context to that and it was mentioned like he's he's been he's been this sort of common star over the last three or four years and he missed a lot of his under 20 campaign a couple of years ago through injury came back got a made a big impact in the league last year done his cruciate against Louth in the league and
only come back and it was because of when it happened that he had announced himself made the few big plays the game the energy was in the whole stadium like it was just the place was bouncing and next thing the minute it happened and you knew by his you know this Pat as well you know by a player's reaction when he gets injured is it bad or not and you knew by him that he was in agony and just the whole energy sucked out of the stadium so credit to Monaghan that they were able to lift themselves and go out of the game because it would have been very easy for themselves to sort of
You know, just roll up the tent at that stage because it was real. You could see it in Gabriel. He's from Gabriel's club and he was sort of holding back the tears nearly in his post-match interview because he knows how tough that is for a young fella. And it is one of the hardest things to look at is young players getting bad injuries because
I was saying it to my young fellow himself who's starting out in his football injury. You get ready for this. You're going to get injured. And it is the toughest, toughest thing to get by. So hopefully it's not as bad as people fear. That being said, he left a serious mark, not just on the game, but on the championship itself.
Because you said, Pat, that goal will be shown over and over again as the summer highlights go on. And why not?
First of all, before going to the game, my heart went out for Bobby McCollum because he... Given his history with ACL already previously, look, and I don't know what it's like. I was to... I did my crew sheet in 1981. In 1981, 82 in Ireland, you did your crew sheet and you never again played sport. Full stop. It wasn't.
And I found out at the time that there was somebody in England who had just come from Colorado, which is the skiing capital of Canada, come from Colorado, an expert in knee injuries, and that he was doing ACL training
reconstruction in Cambridge and I went to Dr David Endy and I went back and I was the first person in Ireland to actually make a comeback and to play again after rupturing your ACL it is when it when it goes it is the most excruciating pain you can ever experience and you knew immediately last Sunday when he went down that he was in trouble it's I can't understand nowadays
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Chapter 8: How did the performances of individual players impact the games?
So we're all sitting in, nothing to watch, bar the Mayo warm-up. And they actually had GA Plus on, so they actually put the Dublin game on. On the big screen at the back, yeah. Yeah, so it was grand, it was grand. So we got to enjoy watching the Mayo warm-up, or not the Mayo warm-up, but watching...
Colby McDonald kick and we were just sort of sitting watching him with the two boys and it was like awestruck just the range of kicking two feet you wouldn't know which is as good foot or as bad foot and scarcely missed and again then he rolled out a performance in the first half that that beggar but again he was well marshaled but
a phenomenal talent and again just he's everything like we talked about uh matty ford v graham garrity throwing the two of them together and you've got something to call with mcdonald i know that's a wee bit early in his career but in terms of his his ball winning ability even that leadership because he did very little in the second half because he was marked so well but even that leadership to come out and fetch that ball that shows a lot about the makeup of a man because he'd been very entitled to sort of hide back and that's some of the
The other guys do it. So it was a pleasure to watch him. And he's just going to be an awful loss to the G when he goes, you know.
Just a couple of quick points in the game. I was looking at Jack McCarron and I know he's obviously related to you, Dick. Definitely not the fastest in the world, but my God, his brain operates fairly fast anyway. There was one there where he just sold two lads for a dummy over a two-pointer. Like, it's just like... Send him to the shops.
I know we're fascinated with athleticism and speed, but there will always be a place for a lad that's capable of doing things like that. And I always think a lad like that can stay going at club level as long as he likes.
It was his one pointer in the first half that was brilliant. Because he got it in the corner at a bad angle. There was two defenders gave to him and he gave them,
he looked out and at the same time as he looked out he kicked it from a narrow angle and you're right I raved about him last week it's just beautiful to see that kicking skill and before we'll leave the Monaghan game behind but from a Monaghan perspective about the draw a good draw you might sort of see I go back to my own time when you were in the qualifiers and when you found yourself
Yeah, there was a point to get a handy draw to get to the next round. But what's your ambition here? Monaghan's ambition still should be to quarter-finals, semi-finals. And if the cards fall right, you can compete. But, you know, the air gets a bit thinner and all the rest. If Monaghan are going to go that far, they need to be able to take out a big team.
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