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Chapter 1: Who is Kami Verney and what does her perfect life look like?
Let me introduce you to Cammie Verney. She's the kind of woman who's always very put together. Red fingernails, fond of wearing kitten heels. She runs a great home. She's warm. She's inviting.
When somebody walks into my house, I want it to feel like a hug from the world. The world can be stressful, but this is a place of good music, good food, where you break a dish in my house and you celebrate.
I don't think you'll be surprised to hear that Cami's also an amazing mom. You know, the first one to volunteer to chaperone the school field trip, the one who never complains about waiting in the car pickup armada at school, and when you finally get in the car, she probably has snacks ready. Like, good snacks. She's just super into being a mom. And super into being a wife, too.
I made Josh a script, you know, of our love every year.
Cami's holding a scrapbook in her hands. A very neat and very polished scrapbook. I'd expect nothing less. This book documents her life with her husband, Josh Verney. In the pages, she's saved all sorts of things. Pictures, notes, birthday cards, playbills. There's even emails.
So here he used to send me these emails, you know, back when that's how you dated.
And she's got them right in the scrapbook. She's tucked these printed out emails into a little envelope that's made from folded construction paper.
We went on a trip to Napa. Yeah, I mean, this is our... This is us getting married. Like he would leave me cute notes, like on a banana. Let's never split, I'm bananas for you.
Cami and Josh saw theater. They threw great parties. They went on big and elaborate family vacations. I mean, these are people with some serious money.
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Chapter 2: What are the early signs of cracks in Kami's marriage?
We would all have dinner together, and Josh would literally, in my eyes, in my dad's eyes, why don't you believe me? In my mind, I thought Cami was in on it, and I thought that Cami knew everything that was happening.
From Campside Media and Sony Music Entertainment, this is Infamous, from Con to Cupid, Episode 1. I'm Vanessa Grigoriadis.
And I'm Natalie Robomedic. So there's this quote about relationships that I read in a novel and I think about all the time. It goes, you'll never know anyone's marriage but your own. And even then, you'll only know half of it. The idea is that however well we think we know our romantic partners, we never really can know anyone else fully.
Even after 20 years and countless egg sandwiches cooked exactly that one specific way, one morning they can wake up and still do something that'll surprise you. But what happens if that surprise isn't an egg sandwich? What happens if it turns out to be really bad? If the person you loved, the person you were married to, wasn't telling the truth?
This is the story of betrayal, fraud, and what you do when the scrapbook life you've made for yourself gets ripped in two.
So let's fill you in on Cammie's life. And so you know, Josh Verney did not participate in this podcast. Cammie and I were actually born in the same year, in the 1970s. We probably watched a lot of the same movies growing up. Ferris Bueller, Sixteen Candles, and, of course, The Breakfast Club.
If I were to actually think back on my childhood, I have such like John Hughes vibes. My childhood was very 80s traditional.
Kami's mom stayed at home and her dad was an attorney. The family had dinner every night at 6.30. Kami wore guest jeans, went to summer camp, had a bat mitzvah. She was the kind of girl who, when everybody got Cabbage Patch dolls, she got a lot of them, not just one. But all was not as great as it seemed.
I kept a diary. And so when I look at my diary, I was filled with teenage angst. Every day I would write like my weight on like the top and be like, I hate my body.
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Chapter 3: How did Kami's childhood and education shape her?
Kami was smart, but she sort of screwed up school.
My first and second semester at Syracuse were awful. I had a 1.7 and a 1.9. I have not told my kids that. So if they're listening to this, yeah, guys, mom's a fraud. It wasn't even like I was a big drinker because I've never been a big drinker. I've never been a pothead. Like I've just never been, you know – It was more probably laziness. I wasn't fitting in any of my clothes.
I was gaining so much weight. I just don't think I wanted even to put on clothes.
But after that first year, Kami got her grades up.
Today, if you got a 1.7 and a 1.9, you couldn't go to law school. And I still ended up going to law school. You could blow it academically and be fine. I really loved law school. I didn't really see myself as somebody who was that smart. I could write. I could always write. It was a natural fit because it's a lot of writing.
Cammy sailed into a job at a law firm, one that her father, Barry, had helped her get.
Cammy had an extremely successful career for roughly nine years in my firm. I had a large firm. I represented a lot of very, very bad guys. I didn't have a traditional criminal practice. I represented motorcycle gangs and I represented this and that. Bad guys want to be surrounded by attractive women because they don't look so bad.
If a bad guy commits a crime, he wants his female attorney sitting around the table. Jurors suggest to themselves, how can he be so bad when he has such a cute attorney next to him?
And Kami was definitely cute. What she wasn't was aggressive, like most lawyers. That's why she listened to metal in her car.
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Chapter 4: What was Kami's professional career like and how did she approach it?
This is Infamous from Campside Media.
So all these people you've been hearing about live on the main line in Pennsylvania. That's a very she-she set of suburban towns. And one night, when Cammy was 27 years old, she and her parents went into Philadelphia. They were having dinner at Brasserie Perrier. That's a French restaurant in the heart of Philadelphia. It has dim lighting and white tablecloths.
Kemi's accustomed to these kinds of fancy dinners with her father, the attorney.
The restaurant was beautiful, big, luxurious. But I couldn't wait to get out. I mean, like, I was ready to go out. It was a Saturday night, and, like, I was probably leaving to go somewhere else. My brother invited Josh.
That's the Josh. Josh Verney.
Josh has always been big. He was a heavy guy. Very heavy. He was probably not nearly at his heaviest there. I didn't mind a heavy guy at all. I kind of liked a meatier guy because it made me feel small. But he was cute. He had a handsome face. He was very personable. Likeable. As likeable as they got. He was my younger brother's friend, so I didn't really think of him as potential.
Josh left that dinner and said to my brother, I know as sure as I know my name, I'm going to marry your sister. And my brother was like, you're not going to touch my sister. And then my brother called me and was like, that kid that was at dinner said he's going to marry you. And I was like, he doesn't have a shot. First of all, I was a lawyer at that point. He never went to college.
He was like a big drinker and a partier. I'm like not at all. A couple weeks after that, I was out to dinner on another date, and the check came, and Josh was at the restaurant, and he wrote that my date got the bill, and it said on the bill, taken care of by Cammie's future husband.
Now that's what I'd call a bold move. But Kami wasn't sold, at least not at first.
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Chapter 5: How did Kami and Josh meet and what was their early relationship like?
Chapter 6: What was the significance of the scrapbook in Kami's life?
I kissed him that night. He had a party back at his house after. And I was also a flirt. So he remembers it that I went and I kissed him more back at the house and was like, I'll be back later. And I never came back and he waited for me all night. So, but he called me right after that. We moved in together two weeks later.
If it sounds fast, that's because it was. But to Cammie, it didn't feel reckless. It felt like everything was finally falling into place.
It was just so, when you plug something in and it just starts to work, right? It was like immediate. We kissed, we talked, we went on dates and it was like somebody was serving me everything I could have dreamed of on a silver platter. He was exciting and he wanted everything that I wanted on the timeline I could have dreamed of. like warped speed, let's get you married, let's get you pregnant.
He wanted everything I wanted in the same exact timeline. And it was like a miracle. It was a miracle. I mean, I just couldn't even believe this was happening and how lucky was I. And then totally distracted from work and like so checked out. Like now I was dreaming of like – The wedding and the babies and like, this is really happening for me.
Her career was over, in part because of Josh. Here's her father, Barry.
Her husband took the position that he didn't want her to represent the kind of people that I represented. Because it's somewhat dangerous going in the middle of the night to get someone out on bail. being around people who are unpredictable in terms of temperament and have a larger-than-life appearance and speak that way. So he wanted Cami to leave the practice of law.
Cami and Josh were hitting the fast-forward button on life, skipping ahead from one big milestone to the next.
So we, so here's the timeline. January, you know, December, you know, we kissed midnight. We were engaged in May, Memorial Day weekend in May. So not, and then we were married one, exactly one year after that.
And a few months after that, Kami was pregnant with her first daughter, Alexa.
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