Paul Heyman On Brock Lesnar, Roman Reigns, ECW, Failed "Paul Heyman Guys", Triple H
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Van Vliet.
Mr. Heyman. Sir. Wow. Wow. We're making it happen.
Well, wow.
Okay. Yeah. Hope it's worth the wait for you. Thank you so much for making this happen.
Yes, sir.
You are an absolute master at the little things. I believe that's the big reason how you turn good into great. Where does that come from for you, mastering those little things?
Well, I mean, well, thank you for your kind words on that, but it's just, it's the desire to do something substantive. It's the desire to do something better than other people do it. It's the desire to achieve greatness. It's the adrenaline rush. It's the dopamine effect when you achieve something that seems to be And whether that's a nuance in a performance, getting that out of someone else, collaborating with someone on their efforts to achieve that greatness. It's just, it's the pursuit of something that you can be proud of, that you can look back on. if you choose to look back on things and say, yeah, I really enjoyed doing that. That gave me a high that's not available through any kind of drug, any kind of sex, anything else in life with the exception of
quality time with your children. Outside of that, it's chasing that high. What makes Mick Jagger and Keith Richards go on stage at their age when they certainly don't need the money and tear the stadium down, not only doing classic Rolling Stones music, but new music that they still to this day choose to write? What drives that? What makes them want that? Why is Clint Eastwood directing movies in his 90s and they're Academy Award-level movies? Because there is a need, there's a yearning, there's a craving, there is an insatiable lust to go after something that you're passionate about and want to over-deliver even past your own expectations.
I love the passion. I love it so much. Where do you think the Paul Heyman character ends and the Paul Heyman, the man, begins?
Depends on the day.
How did Paul Heyman develop his craft and obsession with perfecting promos?
Depends on what's needed inside of the performance. I... The persona of Paul Heyman is carried a lot by the real-life experiences of the person Paul Heyman. So if I'm asked... I'm not a good actor. I'm not a trained actor. I never went to acting classes. I was never trained to be an actor. I'm not a good actor. I would disagree with that. You are a fantastic actor. Well, thank you. I'm a method actor. I find things that trigger the emotion that has to be presented within the scene that we're presenting. So... I have to rely on things that I can relate to. So therefore, you're getting a lot of me within the character, but it's clearly a persona that I'm putting forth, and it's a skin that I've learned to be very comfortable walking in.
Ric Flair, famously or infamously, either one, has said many times, the day I'm nervous walking through the curtain is the day I don't walk through the curtain. And it's funny because to me, the day I'm nervous walking through the curtain is the day I don't go. Because... I'm not nervous going out there. I'm a lot more comfortable in the middle of the ring with a live microphone in my hand in front of 20,000, 30,000, 70,000, 5,000 people than I am just sitting here talking with you right now.
So if I were to find you backstage before going out and cutting a promo, what would that look like? What would you be doing? Working with other people on their stuff. Not working on your stuff. No.
I know what I'm going to do. As long as I know the assignment and I know what I have to sell, I'll know the end line. Because the beginning is the easiest thing in the world. But besides saying, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Paul Heyman. Okay. The next sentence tells you the theme. I'm here tonight to hype you on this. This person, this event, this show, this concept, this rivalry. No matter what it is, I'm telling you right there what I'm going to do. I'm then off to the races building to the end. From that moment on, the clock is ticking to build to the finish. And once you get there, you're home. So I know what I'm building towards. And I know that at some point within this promo, there's going to be a pivot.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–2:57
2
How did Paul Heyman develop his craft and obsession with perfecting promos?
2:57–35:40
3
Why does Paul Heyman say saying 'Brock Lesnar' the right way matters for branding?
35:40–1:05:02
4
How did the 'Tribal Chief' concept for Roman Reigns get created and staged on TV?
1:05:02–2:05:40
Speakers
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