Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Understanding the Right’s Antisemitic Turn

20 Nov 2025

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Is antisemitism the next chapter of “America First”? Many see the appeal of antisemitic ideas among younger conservatives as a natural consequence of a hard right nationalist turn. Yoram Hazony — a prominent advocate of nationalist politics — is trying to keep that from happening. He joins Ross to discuss the root of right-wing antisemitism and what right-wing leaders should do about it.02:12 - Just how bad is antisemitism on the right?06:24 - The generational and theological rebellion14:35 - “The virtues of nationalism” and an American cultural center25:33 - Foreign policy under nationalism29:59 - The U.S. - Israel Relationship and antisemitism45:59 - What can nationalist leaders do about antisemitism(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)Thoughts? Email us at [email protected]. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times with Ross Douthat Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

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