Tobi Lütke - Building Islands of Innovation - [Invest Like the Best, EP.394]
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What major AI developments are reshaping Shopify and the e‑commerce industry?
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My guest today is Toby Lukey, the co-founder and CEO of Shopify. I've spoken to Toby on this podcast twice before, first in 2020 and then again in 2022. Needless to say, a lot has changed, both about the world and about Shopify since we last spoke, and we start by talking about the biggest change of all, AI. But I'll remember this conversation for the next set of ideas that we discuss. Toby's very unique take on the very popular concept of founder mode, raising the temperature. Of an organization and the importance of building on an island that's distinct from the mainstream. Toby embodies the concept of life's work that I believe so much in, and this episode is a shining example of it. Toby, along with nine other leaders we believe are doing their life's work, will also be featured in the first issue of an upcoming print publication we've been working on.
If you're interested in hearing first when pre-orders go on sale, head to joincus.com/slash print. For now, please enjoy this great conversation with Toby Lutke. Toby, we're on our every two-year cadence. I'm so excited to see you again. This is gonna be so much fun. The perfect amount of time, enough has happened in the world. And in this case, a lot has happened in the world, not just in Shopify's world, but also just in the world of technology writ large. I don't know how I can possibly not start by asking you about how you are processing what is going on.
We have the great thing is if we ever end up in one of those phases and we decide that, well, nothing much happened or we didn't much like what happened in the last two and a half years, all we need to do is wait for the next one. And clearly it's gonna be a new world again at the current rate. I'm not gonna say anything I think terribly different from what a lot of people say. Very humbled by just getting to be so lucky to be part of an industry that is constantly has all these phenomenal innovations that allow us to just have to redirive everything. And like I think that's this was like the internet two thousands, Web2. Over the next ten years, and now we get to reinvent everything on top of AIs, we'll touch every everything we do.
Everything we do in technology industry for sure, much of what happens in the world is going to be augmented. And computers have gotten capabilities that are just unbelievably valuable now. So this has incredible implications for how to build companies. It has incredible implications for how to build products. And what is software? I don't know. There's clearly more questions right now than answers.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What major AI developments are reshaping Shopify and the e‑commerce industry?
0:00–6:19
2
How does founder mode influence company culture and decision‑making at Shopify?
6:19–15:15
3
Why does Tobi emphasize building on an “island” rather than following mainstream trends?
15:15–24:13
4
What AI experiments has Shopify run and what lessons were learned?
24:13–31:00
5
What is Shopify’s product philosophy for making complex tools simple for merchants?
31:00–35:51
6
How does Shopify balance rapid innovation with long‑term trust and governance?
35:51–41:37
7
What role does exothermic leadership and “heat” play in scaling a founder‑led organization?
41:37–53:17
8
How can investors evaluate the long‑term value of Shopify’s unique operating model?
53:17–1:05:56
Speakers
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