Are UFOs real? Maybe, but that's not the point. From Congressional hearings on UFOs to the claims of RFK Jr., conspiracies have gone from fringe to mainstream political talking points. Authors Kelly Weill and Mike Rothschild join the show to explain why. Then, PEOPLE Magazine released this year's Sexiest Man Alive... and it was certainly a choice! But it got Brittany thinking: what makes someone sexy in the year 2024, and who decides what's hot? The hosts of Who Weekly, Bobby Finger and Lindsey Weber, join the show to get into it.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy
Chapter 1: Are we alone in the universe?
Kelly, Mike, welcome to It's Been a Minute. Thank you. Thanks for having us. My pleasure. Okay, so humor me here. Do you think we're alone here on Earth? You think there could be life elsewhere?
I think it's totally plausible that there's life elsewhere. The question is whether there is a large government cover up. hiding it from us. And I think that is what conspiracy theorists are really invested in.
What do you say, Mike? I think statistically, given the size and age of the universe, it seems pretty likely that life has existed somewhere at some point. Now, does that mean they're here and flying around and dueling it with F-16s? Seems unlikely, but you never know.
You never know. You never know. I'm not going to lie. I'm not full X-Files pilled. I definitely agree that there's something out there. At least there's a good chance that there's something out there. And I'm not alone. Last week, Congress held a joint hearing on UFOs and UAPs, also known as Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. Not a name I would have picked.
The United States government was accused of conducting secret UAP crash retrieval programs. And there was even an admission that, quote, advanced technologies not made by our government or any other government are monitoring sensitive military installations around us. the globe.
Are these private companies you're implying or is this non-human intelligence?
It may be both. And while this isn't the first time we've had a hearing on aliens, it's interesting to see this at the forefront of our news cycle. Things like UFOs and Area 51 were typically reserved for the more fringe part of the internet and our culture, but we seem to be willing to engage in theories like this more and more. It's not just UFOs, it's vaccine doubt.
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Chapter 2: What role do conspiracy theories play in society?
raw milk advocates, election denial. And with the nomination of RFK Jr. to lead the Health and Human Services Department, it seems like conspiracy theories have left the fringes and entered the mainstream to open arms. So that made me wonder, what led to this moment where conspiracy theories have become a legitimate part of our politics?
Kelly, Mike, both of you have covered and written books about the uptick in conspiracy theories, extremism, et cetera, in popular culture. But I wonder for both of you, What do conspiracy theories do for people?
Sure. Conspiracy theories offer a sense of certainty in a very uncertain and very random world. When you believe that there is a dark cabal plotting in the shadows to personally ruin your life, it explains a lot of things. It explains why maybe you couldn't get ahead in business. It explains maybe why you got sick or maybe why you got saddled with a medical debt you can't pay.
We were very uncomfortable sitting in the answer, I don't know.
I think Mike is exactly right. And there's another element, too, in that conspiracy theories are almost like a team sport. People use them to form in-group, out-group ideas. identification. And so if you're part of the elite subset who knows a secret truth, that can be kind of a good feeling.
People get drawn into conspiracy theories like QAnon, where they feel like I'm with the team and we're deciphering clues, we're uncovering mysteries and holding power to account. People really like that. And so I think if people feel alone and alienated and disenfranchised, sometimes conspiracy theories can help them feel like they're in more control and they're with their friends.
It's like it gives them a sense of belonging. And also it sounds like a belief to lean on when they're feeling lost.
Yeah, it really does. And I think that's why we saw so much conspiracism blooming during lockdown, when suddenly the entire country, the entire planet was confronted with this catastrophic event that forced all of us into our own very private communities, sometimes just our own house with nobody to talk to and nothing to do.
And they went looking for explanations, and some found them in the worst possible places. Hmm.
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Chapter 3: How did conspiracy theories become mainstream?
There was the mainstreaming of these ideas, like the Tea Party movement and birtherism in 2009, then stoking fears about Hillary Clinton in 2016 leading to QAnon, claims of election fraud and more, as we all know. How did Trump change the way that we look at these political ideas?
Hillary Clinton really was sort of the perfect opponent for him because Trump was able to pick up a baton that a previous generation of cranks and conspiracy theorists had already left for him. The early 90s were absolutely consumed by an industry of Clinton conspiracy theories. You had Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, Vince Foster, cattle futures, all of these countless things that –
seemed crazy to people on the left. But for people like Rush Limbaugh and the growing right wing talk radio industry, the very earliest embers of the internet, this was a huge driver of commerce and culture. So Trump really was just stepping into a role that had already been laid out for him.
And he was able to push it out to people who were really desperate for ways to stop Hillary Clinton from becoming president.
Absolutely. I think we also underestimate how much these conspiracy theories had saturated the right-wing media ecosystem long before we were really reporting on them. Figures like Alex Jones are certainly considered fringe, but he had a really big reach. I think, again, it's a little underestimated how central these conspiracy theories were
in allowing folks on the right to rationalize losses, rationalize Barack Obama's victories. So these are beliefs that people are holding onto very strongly, and they only needed an authority figure like Trump to really legitimize them and make them part of the allowable discourse.
Yeah, I think we would all agree that a lot has shifted as far as what I think is considered allowable discourse. To that point, we of course cannot have this conversation without mentioning the rise in influencers and celebrities who are wellness advocates. And the turn that some of that community has taken towards the anti-vax movement. Former presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
has touted many health-related conspiracy theories. He has implied that vaccines are cause autism, that COVID-19 was created to target people by race, and that 5G networks cause cancer. To be clear, those claims have all been debunked. But with all that in mind, what makes health and medicine such a hotbed for conspiracy theories, especially right now?
Well, I think, I mean, these are some of the things that are most central to our well-being. They're always at the front of our mind, our health, our bodies. I think a lot of maybe woo-woo wellness used to be really the domain of the left. But there were still kernels of it that I think really aligned well with conspiracy thinking. There was always a mistrust of authority.
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Chapter 4: What makes health and medicine a hotspot for conspiracy theories?
Okay. Here's the thing. It's like... If they live underwater, I'm calling them earthlings. I don't care if they're like a few thousand years. Those are my neighbors. That is my neighbor in the Mariana Trench. Final answer.
Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. What do you think, Mike? As long as they buy my books, whatever. You know what? I'm going to have to agree with that take. I think that's very, very savvy. All right. Well, Kelly, Mike, I have learned so much here. Thank you both so much.
Thank you.
Thank you. And as a thank you, I'd like to teach you something by playing a game with you all. Can you stick around for a tiny bit longer? Absolutely. Great. We'll be right back with a little game I like to call, but did you know? Stick around.
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All right, all right. We're going to play a little game I like to call, But Did You Know? Here's how it works. I'm going to share a story that's been making headlines this week, and as I give you some background on the story, I'll also ask you trivia related to it. But don't worry. It's all multiple choice. The right answer is in there somewhere.
The first one to blurt out the right answer gets a point. The person with the most points wins, and their prize is bragging rights. Are you all ready? Yes. Okay. To start... The highly anticipated Wicked and Gladiator 2 hit theaters this weekend, and many are comparing it to last year's Barbenheimer moment. It even has its own name. Glicked. Wackiator was right there. Wait!
Wackiator is so much better than Glicked. We need to really talk to Hollywood and get you on the phone with them, Mike, because you got the answers. Thank you. But this is not the first time we've had a big sequel go up against a beloved movie musical in the box office showdown. My first question.
On December 20th, 2019, the third and final installment of the Star Wars sequel trilogy, Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker, hit theaters to less than stellar reviews. But there was another star-studded Broadway movie musical fighting to take the mantle. Was it... A. Into the Woods, B, Cats, or C, In the Heights? Oh, my God. I'm going to go with Cats.
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Chapter 5: Can we escape the grip of conspiracy theories?
Thank you. Oh, my gosh.
All right. Well, that's it for But Did You Know? for this week. Congratulations to Mike. win. Thank you. Oh my gosh. And Kelly, Mike, thank you both so much for joining me today. This is great.
Yeah, this is great.
Thanks for having me. That was authors Kelly Weil and Mike Rothschild. I'm going to take a quick break. And when I get back, after a long chaotic year, People Magazine finally bestowed us with the coveted sexiest man alive announcement. And we have some thoughts. What makes a universally agreed upon heartthrob? And is that changing? Stick around. Okay, first things first.
What is your reaction to John Krasinski is this year's sexiest man alive? People Magazine has done it again. They have released their annual sexiest man of the year list. And John Krasinski has been crowned the sexiest man alive. Yes, the guy who is most famous for being your average good guy on NBC's The Office 15 years ago. That guy is 2024's hottest man. I'm completely unsurprised.
I want to say that I was shocked and appalled. But after you think about it for one second, you're like, that makes perfect sense.
The person checking me out at the register was like, this pic has been very controversial.
Wait, that's funny. Oh, my God. She's like, you're buying this?
What? I know what you're thinking. John Krasinski? Controversial? He's so inoffensive. Well, that is the offensive part. It's not that he's not considered hot. I just haven't really heard his name in any conversations about sexy men this year. Sexiness has actually never really been part of his public persona.
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Chapter 6: What defines sexiness in 2024?
Yes. Oh, the best reason. I'm not going to necessarily name names from the past few years, but I think we can all agree that some of the recent Sexiest Man Alive picks are people who don't necessarily feel culturally relevant for their sexiness that year. But also like over the past like 40 years, I mean, there's only ever been four black men named Sexiest Man Alive.
And one biracial Black and Pacific Islander man who is The Rock. All of the rest of them were white. Even in this year's issue of the 12 men who actually gave interviews and had little featurettes, eight are white, including John Krasinski on the cover. Three are Black and one is of mixed Latino, Middle Eastern, European heritage.
I mean, it's not the most diverse bunch and not really a reflection of who our culture actually finds hot and who they're talking about.
No. It also seems like a thing that people doesn't really seem to care about. They get scrutiny every single year for these reasons, but they don't really ever change anything. But why do you have to pick someone so boring? The more I think about it, the weirder it seems.
Yeah. Idris Elba, who was it a few years ago, is actually really a great pick. It's like, because he has a swag and he knows that he's sexy and has played into the idea of being sexy in various funny ways.
He's been in sexy movies. John Krasinski has not been in sexy movies.
Right.
No, he's not been in anything sexy before. Exactly. I also, another thought that we've been having on our team about this is, where sexiness kind of is in entertainment right now. It's kind of missing. I mean, a study found that since the year 2000, the amount of sex and nudity in films has decreased by almost 40%. So sad.
A number of picks for sexiest man in the last decade have been Marvel stars where, you know, no sex is famously the vibe. We're in an era culturally where there's perhaps less of an erotic charge to some of our hot actors because of the decrease in sex on screen. How do you think that affects who we see as sexy?
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Chapter 7: Has Hollywood lost touch with who is considered sexy?
I mean, half the guys on this list of past people, Sexiest Man Alive, were selling rom-coms or rom-droms at the time of their sexiest crowning. I'm looking at this covers through the years and I see Patrick Swayze. I'm like, yeah, like these were the guys that were like the swoony romantic leads. But it makes sense if they're selling a sexy movie to do that. And we have not as many of those.
So it does make sense to me, sadly.
I miss sexy movies.
You scroll through the Sexiest Man Alive cover list on people's website, and it's like, throughout the 90s, it's like, oh, right, when movies were sexy. And as you scroll up, and then you get to, like, Blake Shelton. It's like, I think we've lost the plot.
Yeah. I keep thinking about the Hear Me Out memes on ex-Twitter.
Hear Me Out. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, where people post a person or character that they think is sexy in an unconventional way. I'll read one. Every guy's Hear Me Out is a 42-year-old actress that's still hot, while the typical woman's Hear Me Out is Predator from the movie Predator. I imagine that people is picking men for an audience of heterosexual women. Yes.
But it's hard to deal with that because then you see across the whole internet memes about Jeremy Allen White, who I would argue that everyone's kind of like, he's not traditionally sexy, but he's so sexy. And I'm kind of like, we all agree.
We all agree. I see a lot more people finding Jeremy Allen White sexy and opining about his sexiness than I do see about someone like Ryan Reynolds who checks all the traditional boxes.
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Chapter 8: What trends are shaping our perception of attractiveness?
So sad.
Okay, let's talk about some of the guys that audiences, the internet, and our group chats have actually been thirsting over this year. Let's talk about these rap boys for a second, okay? Okay. For those who don't know, this summer the internet fell in love with dudes who the internet says maybe look a little rodent-esque in a cartoon mouse kind of way. Again, this is not my definition.
This is what the streets were saying, okay? The two Challengers stars Mike Feist and Josh O'Connor, along with Barry Keoghan and Timothee Chalamet. I would say that a lot of these guys have a different look than the sort of like usual... males, American stars, like all American jock charm. What do you think people are finding erotic about the rat boy archetype?
Well, the projects that they're in, for one thing.
Yes.
Challengers is a sexy movie.
Here's how you get a sexy star. Put them in a sexy movie. All the guys that you're talking about, I can name a sexy movie they were in. I mean, Timothee Chalamet, call me by your name. It's written sexy. It's a very well-written, sexy movie. Barry, why is Barry a sex star? Because he full-frontaled in a movie.
In a full-
He got that title because he took a risk in a sexy movie. You know what I mean? Like then they're on the road to being contextualized like that. Also, they give you permission to call them sexy when they're in these sexy roles. And I think then we're very obsessed with, you know, like the idea of like not overstepping with –
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