Alliance of Former Chief Justices promotes rule of law
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What is the Alliance of Former Chief Justices and why was it created?
Former Kansas Supreme Court Chief Justice Lawton Nuss has joined dozens of his counterparts from around the country to form the Alliance of Former Chief Justices. One of the goals is to strengthen the public's understanding of the rule of law. Welcome to the Kansas Reflector podcast. I'm editor Sherman Smith and Lawton Nuss is here today to tell us all about this alliance. Welcome to the show.
Thank you, Sherman. I'm very pleased that you have invited me and it's an honor to be here.
Very good. Let's just start by giving us an overview of this alliance. What's this project all about?
This is an alliance of about 50 former Chief Justices of the state Supreme Courts in this country. I believe we've added a few more since you and I talked a few days ago. But the alliance is designed to repair whatever damage there may have been done to the rule of law in the United States. And we're going to try to repair that by speaking on podcasts such as this, giving speeches, writing op-eds, aligning with some civic organizations and giving presentations to remind people about our three branches of government and how they all work.
Very good. We'll dive into some of the details of that here in a second, but for folks who don't know or have forgotten, tell us about your background.
I'm born and raised in Salina. I practiced law there for 20 years after I had spent four years in the Marine Corps as a combat engineering officer. In 2002, Governor Graves appointed me to the Kansas Supreme Court. In 2010, I became the Chief Justice and then I left the court in December of 2019. I had three years remaining on my term as Chief Justice because I wanted to devote more time to veterans treatment courts.
Tell us about that project. What are the Veterans Treatment Courts? And have you been able to build those out? Are they making a difference?
Yes. Kansas had one Veterans Treatment Court when I retired in 2019. And since that time, we've added five more. They have them in Douglas County, in Sedgwick County, Leavenworth, Johnson, and Wyandotte County.
is the idea to provide, I guess, some sort of path for treatment for veterans rather than just sending them into the correctional system and behind bars. How does this work?
Yes, the concept is to try to rehabilitate people who have served our country in its military. If they have been arrested and charged with less severe crimes, then they go into this treatment court, and the judge calls these defendants into court perhaps once a week or once every two weeks, and there is a team associated with this It consists of the prosecutor, defense counsel, a probation officer, the judge, And then also very importantly, there's a representative from the Department of Veterans Affairs because the VA provides mental health counseling, prescription medications, et cetera. And then if the defendant can graduate from this program, sometimes the charges are dismissed or they're simply told you have no further obligation in this system, you are free to go.
using data from Johnson County's Veterans Treatment Court, also known as a VTC, they have about a 95% success rate. And by that I mean only about 5% of the people who graduated have gone on to commit further crimes.
How does that compare with recidivism rates outside of veterans
courts? It's a much better rate than you would see in the regular criminal justice system.
You mentioned your service in the Marine Corps. I imagine this has at least some personal impact for you. You must have served with people who would have benefited from this sort of thing.
Yes, I have spoken with my law school classmate, retired Major General Butch Tate, U.S. Army, and he and I have talked about, for him, soldiers he knew and for me, Marines I knew, that we worked to try to discharge them before their enlistment term was up. And in retrospect, we wondered whether they were suffering from PTSD or traumatic brain injury or a substance use disorder, which if we had tried to treat it instead of discharge it, then they would not have been discharged and they may have gotten into criminal problems once they were civilians.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the Alliance of Former Chief Justices and why was it created?
0:00–9:14
2
How does Lawton Nuss describe his career background and military service?
9:14–14:24
3
What are Veterans Treatment Courts and how have they expanded in Kansas?
14:24–30:26
4
What threats has Justice Nuss faced and how do they illustrate attacks on the rule of law?
30:26–38:41
5
How did the Alliance form and who are the key partners behind it?
38:41–43:09
6
What is the controversy over Kansas’s judicial selection process and the upcoming vote?
43:09–43:16
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